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Please add the language code oj to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.

Usage example: Ojibwe Inaajimowin, title of the English-content newspaper qid Q101823350

Full info requested at help page:

  • The language code: oj
  • Language name in English: Ojibwe
  • The used script: Latin
  • Where and when the language was or is used: In current use by multiple ethnic groups of the Ojibwe people in North America
  • The Wikidata item id: Q33875

Wikipedia article Ojibwe language#Exonyms and endonyms lists variant names for the language in different dialects

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Mbch331 added subscribers: Amire80, jhsoby, Mbch331.

@Amire80 @jhsoby What do you say about adding this language code?

Hmmm. It's legitimate in general, but it looks like it's a macrolanguage code. By itself, it's not a problem, but it does require clarification, so I want to ask the person who plans to contribute strings in it: Do you plan to contribute in some kind of a common orthography? Or in one of the languages listed at https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/oji ? Or in several of these languages?

(For what it's worth, we have ciw (Chippewa) configured in translatewiki, but I cannot find actual contributions in it.)

By itself, it's not a problem, but it does require clarification, so I want to ask the person who plans to contribute strings in it: Do you plan to contribute in some kind of a common orthography? Or in one of the languages listed at https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/oji ? Or in several of these languages?

Unfortunately, I actually don't know anything about the language or its dialects. What happened is that I went to add the title to the English-language publication in my usage example, which I'm slowly moving towards writing an English Wikipedia article about, and I found that the Wikidata UI did not autocomplete for the related language codes. (I don't think it's Chippewa...?)

In cursory searching, I haven't yet been able to determine the specific language of this title; according to the Wikipedia article on the Mille Lacs Band, who publish this newspaper, although they're categorized by the Minnesota state government and the United States federal government as a "Minnesota Chippewa Tribe", they prefer the term "Ojibwe". Search engines are telling me that the term "Chippewa language" does not appear on their official web site: they appear to always use the term "Ojibwe language", and unfortunately pages which contain significant passages in the language like this one are not marked with a language code in the HTML.

To confirm, at this point I'm only adding this single monolingual text value, which I've currently set to "mis". It's entirely up to you guys whether it's appropriate to go ahead and add a new language code under these circumstances; I just posted the general question of how to proceed in the "Lexicographical data" project talk page (where the suggestion was also made that the code I wanted was "oj") and got pointed to the help page, which led me here.

Here's some more places it's needed:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5379100#P1559
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2408930#P1705

Orthography is really determined by the sources - there can be multiple statements if different sources give different spellings.

@Amire80 What should we do with this language? Add oj or the different languages on SIL?

Not sure, and I prefer not to decide all by myself. I emailed the Langcom mailing list.

But I don't want to be a blocker, so if there's no reply in a week, go with oj, I guess.

In cursory searching, I haven't yet been able to determine the specific language of this title; according to the Wikipedia article on the Mille Lacs Band, who publish this newspaper, although they're categorized by the Minnesota state government and the United States federal government as a "Minnesota Chippewa Tribe", they prefer the term "Ojibwe". Search engines are telling me that the term "Chippewa language" does not appear on their official web site: they appear to always use the term "Ojibwe language", and unfortunately pages which contain significant passages in the language like this one are not marked with a language code in the HTML.

@StruthiousBandersnatch: could you contact the Mille Lacs Band and ask for more information?

@Yupik : I just sent an email with the inquiry to the newspaper's main email address.

@Yupik : I just sent an email with the inquiry to the newspaper's main email address.

Wonderful, thanks!

I received a reply from someone who is actually a Wikipedia user, who said:

In the ISO language classification, ALL Ojibwe language in the United States is classified as Chippewa (CIW). However, this is not a very accurate description, as there are fine-tuned divisions, for example found in the Ojibwe People’s Dictionary. Generally, Montanan and portions of North Dakota is Saulteaux/Western Ojibwe (OJW), rest of North Dakota, most of central Minnesota, and northwestern Wisconsin’s Ojibwe are part of the Southwestern Ojibwe (CIW-west), while northeastern Wisconsin and western Upper Peninsula Michigan’s Ojibwe are South-central Ojibwe (CIW-east), and the rest of Michigan being Eastern Ojibwe/Mississauga Ojibwe (OJG) and Odaawaa (OTW).

But to get back to your question, the Anishinaabemowin/Ojibwe Language found in Ojibwe Inaajimowin according ISO is CIW.

For context, Ojibwe People's Dictionary: https://ojibwe.lib.umn.edu/

I have invited this person to create a Phabricator account and join the discussion, though I said that knowing "ciw" is correct for this specific case may be enough to move forward.

I am the one whom StruthiousBandersnatch was referred to by the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe media content coordinator.
Just to note, ''Ojibwe Inaajimowin'' title is in Anishinaabemowin more specifically in "Chippewa" but the contents of this monthly newspaper is primarily in English, and usually only one page per publication issue is devoted to Anishinaabemowin.

Change 666737 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mbch331; owner: Mbch331):
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add language code oj

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/666737

Change 666737 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Add language code oj

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/666737