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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer reads:


Last edited 3 months ago by Jackmcbarn

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:General_disclaimer&action=history, this is not the last edit. The last edit was by Thingg in November 2013.

I imagine either the language used here should be tweaked (e.g., say "last modified") or the "get most recent edit" logic should be tweaked to not include non-edits.


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URL: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer

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bzimport raised the priority of this task from to Low.Nov 22 2014, 3:20 AM
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bingle-admin wrote:

Prioritization and scheduling of this bug is tracked on Trello card https://trello.com/c/mstBI20b

Change 133020 had a related patch set uploaded by Kaldari:
Changing 'last edited' to 'last modified' so it is more accurate

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133020

Talked to the design team to get sign-off on the patch. I explained the issue to them, but they still prefer using 'edited' rather than 'modified'.

"Last edited" is not, strictly speaking, inaccurate: in one case, it's the page contents that were edited; in the other, it's the page metadata. There is of course a history of using the term in a narrower sense, but I think it's an unfortunate habit. "Edited" is more suggestive of intelligent, constructive activity than "modified" or "changed", which could mean almost anything. So I think it works better as a good-faith description of user activity.

I'm going to agree that edited in this context is more in the spirit of the point of this. As we expand the ability to make smaller contributions, not necessarily to the written content of the page, as Ori says this is an edit, just not what some would traditionally think of, and it appears in th edit log, skipping it could cause more confusion.

Speaking of history: "WONTFIX" has a history of being used passive-aggressively, so it should be no surprise that it comes across as contemptuous and insulting. Having users care enough about the software to report bugs is a good thing. The nice way to handle bugs like this is to leave them open for a bit and give the reporter a chance to reflect on your response and see what she thinks.

(In reply to Ori Livneh from comment #7)

Speaking of history: "WONTFIX" has a history of being used
passive-aggressively, so it should be no surprise that it comes across as
contemptuous and insulting. Having users care enough about the software to
report bugs is a good thing. The nice way to handle bugs like this is to
leave them open for a bit and give the reporter a chance to reflect on your
response and see what she thinks.

Quite.

I don't think the mobile team is the first to encounter this issue. It looks like [[mw:Extension:LastModified]] uses "last updated".

There's also a tangential issue that this date can be incredibly misleading: I don't know many users who would read "last edited 4 hours ago" and think that this was the result of no edits in 2013 (or perhaps even in 2012), but a single act of vandalism and a reversion in 2014. Technically the page was last edited 4 hours ago, but I don't see how we're serving readers at all in this case.

Change 133020 abandoned by Kaldari:
Changing 'last edited' to 'last modified' so it is more accurate

Reason:
Per discussion in bugzilla.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133020