I like the idea of decoupling issues related to the beta cluster itself from the dev/software running on top of it. The first are addressed by ops/releng, the later by devs usually.

Maybe #beta-cluster-reproducable / and rename Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure to #beta-cluster-infrastructure ?

We did a similar split for CI with:

• Continuous-Integration-Config configure jobs with developers
• Continuous-Integration-Infrastructure for maintaining Zuul/Jenkins etc

Love the idea, can be done right now and we can always adjust the names later on.

Maybe it could be also a good idea to create a seperate workcolumn for bugs, which you can resolve by change onwiki (like right changes, sysmessage change), per webinterface, for example something like T113660. I can resolve bugs like this fast, and you can focus your work at code issues etc, because this is the thing, that I can't at the moment ;-), but it would be better to resolve onwiki issues faster, because I'm mostly every day at beta, so I can resolve them fast.

Good idea @Luke081515. That could definitely be a column in the Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure or whatever project.

I'm going to let this sit for today, let others see it/comment if they want, and then if there's still consensus early next week (Mon or Tues) I'll make the changes (or someone else can beat me to it).

Adding Project-Admins to log this.

For the record, my plan for the changes based on this discussion:

1. Rename Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure to Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure
   • Add Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure as an additional hashtag
2. Create Beta-Cluster-reproducible
   • Description: "This project tracks issues that were identified on, or are reproducible in, the Beta Cluster testing environment.
   • Type: Tag (yellow+tag icon)
   • Default policy.
   • cc @Aklapper: this is me proposing this tag, with plans to create it on Mon or Tuesday ;)
3. Make a column named "On wiki change" in Beta-Cluster-Infrastructure workboard
4. Move the following open tasks to Beta-Cluster-reproducible:
   • T114485: QuickSurveys throws exception on non-HTTPS
   • T114417: Fatal error: Invalid operand type was used: cannot perform this operation with arrays in /srv/mediawiki/php-master/extensions/PageImages/ApiQueryPageImages.php on line 39
   • (Don't worry, many more will come in over time :) )

+1

@Luke081515 has an excellent idea!

For greg-g plan

ok, enough +1s, I'll JFDI now.

Everything done except moving those two tasks into -reproducible (it's created) because @Jdforrester-WMF has thoughts on names, and I'll wait to move them until after we rename it, if we do.

(ok, I moved 'em, we can rename the tag later if needed)

Sounds good, @greg would you mind announcing it? Perhaps on QA list, the private engineering list and maybe wikitech-l?

In T114486#1703000, @hashar wrote:

Sounds good, @greg would you mind announcing it? Perhaps on QA list, the private engineering list and maybe wikitech-l?

{{done}}