Currently, the page translation target language configuration on mediawiki.org were [[gerrit:plugins/gitiles/operations/mediawiki-config/+/3630b918def79de3da490799b2dac77442ff140a/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#7561|inherited from the "language converter page translation model"]].

However, this actually created several problems including the broken page transclutions with malfunctioned language converter tags exposed and using the workaround of [[Template:Conversion-zh]], [[Template:LC zh]]. More breakages could be found on [[phab:T328838]].

I would like to propose to use the [[gerrit:plugins/gitiles/translatewiki/+/a86463dad55cd8dc4697399537619643d23eee2d/mw-config/TranslateSettings.php#172|"translatewiki.net page translation model"]]/[https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/cca495152a9e4a2eac3ee911faa2501c8b652a74/LocalSettings.php#L6011 "Miraheze Meta page translation model"] instead on mediawiki.org after the related [[wikifunctions:Wikifunctions:Project_chat/Archive/2025/05#Change_to_translatewiki.net-like/Miraheze-Meta-like_page_translation_target_languages|proposal had been discussed, supported and approved]] and [[gerrit:1143697|changes had been done]] on Wikifunctions.

Below are examples of the proposed translation model.

* https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
* https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
* https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Template%3AMain+page&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
* https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
* https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
* https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Project%3AAbout&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=
* https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hans&filter=
* https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hant&filter=
* https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Translate?group=page-Miraheze+Meta&action=page&language=zh-hk&filter=

More briefly for the <code>zh</code> part: The old configuration can only translate into <code>zh</code> while the new configuration can translate into <code>zh-hans</code> (for <code>zh-Hans-CN</code>, <code>zh-Hans-MY</code>, <code>zh-Hans-SG</code>), <code>zh-hant</code> (for <code>zh-Hant-TW</code>) and <code>zh-hk</code> (for <code>zh-Hant-HK</code>, <code>zh-Hant-MO</code>).

Note: "translatewiki.net page translation model"/"Miraheze Meta page translation model" refer to the same translation model.

-- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 08:02, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

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: I've added my comments on the associated Phabricator task you linked, which is basically about doing the same thing on every multilingual wiki. TL;DR: I'm opposed because as it currently stands, this proposal would quadruple the work of translators. [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

: I'd say rather than doing this, we sort of finding a way to actually implement the NoteTA (manual conversion RULES, so not quadrupling the work but actively using the LC model) for content page. -- [[User:Lakejason0|Lakejason0]] ([[User talk:Lakejason0|talk]]) 17:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)<small>(edited at 17:05, 2 August 2025 (UTC))</small>

: Without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we have to pass the language tag every time using message bundle messages.
: <syntaxhighlight lang="lua">
-- Wrapping all of them under /zh using {{LC zh|, without using /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
</syntaxhighlight>
: <syntaxhighlight lang="lua">
-- Using separated /zh-hans, /zh-hant, /zh-hk, we no longer need to pass the language tag :params( lang_tag ) every time
tmb.new( mb_page_title, lang_tag ):t( message_key ):plain()
</syntaxhighlight>
: With this change, every Lua module using translation bundles can be simplified:
: <syntaxhighlight lang="diff">
- :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):plain()
</syntaxhighlight>
: Without this change, every Lua module using translation bundles need to:
: <syntaxhighlight lang="diff">
- :t( message_key ):plain()
+ :t( message_key ):params( lang_tag ):plain()
</syntaxhighlight>
: -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 04:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

: This is a problem, but more one for something like {{T|196501}} or something else that allows for fetching the current page variant under Lua. [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 22:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

: Even if {{T|196501}} is solved, you still have no way to either get the requested language tag or pass the lang_tag parameter because we are currently using <code>$1</code> instead of <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{{lang|}}}</syntaxhighlight>, which make the message bundle messages to be something different like <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{{lang|$1}}}</syntaxhighlight>. -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 08:41, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

: I don't think I understand. As long as lang is set to the needed value somewhere, it should work if we can get all the parent frames, even if it is input by the parser. [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 21:42, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

: There might be some misunderstandings.
: You can only get "template arguments" like <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{{1|}}}</syntaxhighlight> after {{T|196501}} being solved so we no longer need to write <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{LC zh|lang = {{{lang|}}}|</syntaxhighlight>
: However, "system message arguments"/"interface message arguments" like <code>$1</code> are never something can be get from <syntaxhighlight lang="lua" inline>frame:getParent().args</syntaxhighlight> without either creating new methods to the <syntaxhighlight lang="lua" inline>frame</syntaxhighlight> object or still writing <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{LC zh|lang = $1|</syntaxhighlight> in Wikitext.
: <syntaxhighlight lang="lua" inline>:t( message_key ):params( lang_tag )</syntaxhighlight> use the "system message argument API" instead of "template argument API".
: -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 13:06, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

: I think the solution to that should be to expose the page variant to Scribunto Lua. [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 17:37, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

: The current problem is there are no way to pass template parameter (and only can pass system messsage parameter) when calling system messages. We currently have the way to get the current user interface language but there is no way to properly pass it without extra work on every template calls. -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 16:08, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

: If any page can get the page variant through a Lua call, the page variant no longer needs to be passed through template parameters. Is there something else that needs to be passed? [[User:Aaron Liu|Aaron Liu]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu|talk]]) 22:31, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

: Sounds like a good solution. That could fix many things. -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 15:02, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

: But we still cannot make the Special:Translation user interface separating the preview of different language variants. -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 15:02, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

: The SEO is also broken and only indexing unconverted content instead of indexing converted content. -- [[User:Winston Sung|Winston Sung]] ([[User talk:Winston Sung|talk]]) 16:20, 3 January 2026 (UTC)