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$wgTranslateDisabledTargetLanguages of zh (mixed-variant variant) on MediaWiki.org
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Description

Multidirectional language conversion for content pages using LanguageConverter should be prevented on multilingual wikis.

This was caused by T39338: $wgTranslateBlacklist of zh-* on metawiki as it is not a Meta-Wiki-only configuration change.

This is not an issue for monodirectional language conversion; however, this had caused several issues:

  • The {{ll template cannot recognize LanguageConverter syntax in the page display title
    • Especially for MediaWiki.org
  • LanguageConverter syntax exposed on pages without original converter and cannot easily choose the variant to transclude
    • For example, we cannot choose to transclude the converted zh-hant version from zh pages in non-zh pages.
  • The Translate special page become a mess because:
    • Badly mixed translation memories (TM)
    • There are no proper places to place page-wide conversion rules
    • There are many manual conversion tags in the translation unit
    • The preview cannot handle LanguageConverter syntax properly
  • T39557: Untranslated units should not be converted to script variants
  • (to be addressed)

On a translation management perspective, the way we translate MediaWiki.org should be like we translate system interface messages on translatewiki.net.

Event Timeline

Change 889616 had a related patch set uploaded (by Winston Sung; author: Winston Sung):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Update $wgTranslateDisabledTargetLanguages for MediaWiki.org

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/889616

Winston_Sung changed the task status from Open to In Progress.Feb 23 2023, 3:22 PM
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Winston_Sung moved this task from Untriaged to Translation difficulties on the I18n board.
Func changed the task status from In Progress to Stalled.Feb 23 2023, 3:45 PM

You should have on-wiki discussions first.

You should have on-wiki discussions first.

I think it's already a long-time unexpected issues and side effects, especially for the main page problem.

I think it's already a long-time unexpected issues and side effects, especially for the main page problem.

If so, the community should be very welcome to your proposal.
But I personally can not accept this change as a translator or reader, you should not workaround technical debt with the manpower of translators.

On a translation management perspective, the way we translate MediaWiki.org should be like we translate system interface messages on translatewiki.net.

This is not true, interface messages are meant to be 100% accurate, while the translation of normal pages doesn't need that, and can be maintained like pages on Chinese sites.

you should not workaround technical debt

I would say it's not a workaround.

Novem_Linguae changed the task status from Stalled to In Progress.Jan 11 2024, 10:05 PM
Novem_Linguae changed the task status from In Progress to Stalled.Jan 11 2024, 10:08 PM
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sorry, misclick