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Citoid's behavior with Wikipedia links is unhelpful (maybe broken)
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Ideally, I'd expect an attempt to citoid[1] a link to Wikipedia to helpfully suggest that the user just turn it into a normal wikilink. Instead I get from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Arnautoff

<ref>{{Cite journal
|title = Victor Arnautoff
|url = https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Victor_Arnautoff&oldid=639070838
|date = 2014-12-21T18:19:40Z
|access-date = 2015-04-08
|language = en}}</ref>

Which is a totally invalid date and throws a warning (though it does try to do the right thing about citing to a specific oldid!)

(Probably not a common case, but figured worth noting.)

Harder, related, even rarer case perhaps worth noting: I found some "citations" today that are direct links to a PDF uploaded on wikisource, e.g.,:

<ref>[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/d/d2/ChurchB6_2_Beginnings.pdf]</ref>

I don't think I can expect citoid to handle a raw PDF, but maybe upload.wikimedia.org should be special-cased?

[1] What is the verb there anyway? :)

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LuisVilla created this task.Apr 8 2015, 4:42 AM
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Is there any valid case for citing another Wikipedia page? If not, perhaps this should just throw an error saying so and offer instead the directions to wikilink a text phrase

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ppelberg mentioned this in T347531: Define user experience for prompting people to review and replace unreliable sources.Nov 2 2023, 12:12 AM
ppelberg added a parent task: T265163: Create a system to encode best practices into editing experiences.Nov 14 2023, 1:36 AM
ppelberg added subscribers: Mvolz, ppelberg.

Per what @Mvolz shared in T350317#9314960, this work could be relevant in the context of T276857.

ppelberg edited parent tasks, added: T276857: [Check] Offer volunteers feedback about the reliability of the source they are attempting to add; removed: T265163: Create a system to encode best practices into editing experiences.Nov 14 2023, 1:38 AM
ppelberg added subscribers: nayoub, MNeisler.Dec 2 2023, 1:44 AM
In T346982#9364769, @MNeisler wrote:
  • New content references that included references to other articles on wikipedia were also frequently reverted. 21% of 207 new content edits that included a reference to another wikipedia articles were reverted.
  • Reverted edits appear far more likely to link to domains with fewer occurrences elsewhere on the wiki (at the time of the externallinks snapshot). This was true overall and by wiki.

cc @nayoub @Mvolz

ppelberg added a comment.EditedDec 4 2023, 7:21 PM

An example of someone citing Wikipedia as a source at sw.wiki; see reference to en:LLM.

I wonder the extent to which people cite Wikipedia as a source more often on smaller wikis. Thinking: perhaps people contributing to smaller wikis perceive larger, more mature projects (e.g. en.wiki, fr.wiki, ja.wiki, ar.wki, etc.) as "reliable" and thus capable of legitimizing a contribution they're adding to a smaller project.

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