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Remove non-interactive bots from #wikimedia-cloud
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We're worried that there isn't room for actual conversation and support in the #wikimedia-cloud channel. I propose that we create an additional channel (or two channels?) #wikimedia-cloud-bots and/or #wikimedia-cloud-monitoring and move a lot of the automatic chatter out of the primary channel.

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I would support this change, sometimes it's difficult to follow conversations with the bots constantly interrupting. #wikimedia-cloud-feed might be a good name for the channel.

I looked through the past week's IRC logs, shinken-wm is by far the loudest and I think moving it to somewhere else would be a good idea. I think the volume created by wikibugs and grrrit-wm are much lower and at least I find wikibugs tends to answer the question "X just stopped working for me, is anyone else seeing it too?" pretty well. But I wouldn't object to them being moved if others find it distracting.

+1

We did this for Wikidata and moved the bots into #wikidata-feed

Sounds like a good plan to move the noise to #wikimedia-cloud-feed , worked well for the Wikidata channel . You might want to consider to still report high priority notifications (like critical in Icinga or "unbreak now" in Phabricator) in the main channel because you want more people to notice these.

I personally am for it. I don't mind the idea of unbreak now still showing up via wikibugs.

+1 to what everyone else has already said. I generally find the monitoring stuff to be distracting to the point of ruining a channel for actual discussion.

Change 382523 had a related patch set uploaded (by Andrew Bogott; owner: Andrew Bogott):
[operations/puppet@production] Move labs shinken to #wikimedia-cloud-feed

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/382523

Change 382523 merged by Andrew Bogott:
[operations/puppet@production] Move labs shinken to #wikimedia-cloud-feed

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/382523

I've directed shinken-wm to talk in #wikimedia-cloud-feed.

Basic channel protections are in place for the new channel.

[20:26]  <    bd808>	info #wikimedia-cloud-feed
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Information on #wikimedia-cloud-feed:
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Founder    : bd808, rush__, andrewbogott, madhuvishy
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Successor  : freenode-staff
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Registered : Oct 05 20:10:39 2017 (15m 24s ago)
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Mode lock  : +nt-ipc
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Flags      : KEEPTOPIC GUARD
[20:26] -ChanServ-	*** End of Info ***
[20:26]  <    bd808>	access #wikimedia-cloud-feed list
[20:26] -ChanServ-	Entry Nickname/Host          Flags
[20:26] -ChanServ-	----- ---------------------- -----
[20:26] -ChanServ-	1     bd808                  +AFRefiorstv [modified 15m 35s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	2     wmfgc                  +Afiortv [modified 12m 7s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	3     *!*@freenode/staff/*   +Aiortv [modified 11m 52s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	4     rush__                 +AFRefiorstv [modified 10m 13s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	5     andrewbogott           +AFRefiorstv [modified 10m 3s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	6     madhuvishy             +AFRefiorstv [modified 9m 50s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	7     YuviPanda              +Aiotv [modified 9m 29s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	8     valhallasw             +Aiotv [modified 9m 17s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	9     petan                  +Aiotv [modified 9m 9s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	10    wm-bot                 +AVo [modified 8m 50s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	11    stashbot               +V [modified 8m 36s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	12    Luke081515             +Aiotv [modified 8m 22s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	13    shinken-wm!*@*.wmflabs.org +V [modified 8m 6s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	14    icinga-wm!*@*.wmflabs.org +V [modified 7m 55s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	15    pywikibugs             +V [modified 7m 36s ago]
[20:26] -ChanServ-	----- ---------------------- -----
[20:26] -ChanServ-	End of #wikimedia-cloud-feed FLAGS listing.

Change 383126 had a related patch set uploaded (by Andrew Bogott; owner: Andrew Bogott):
[labs/tools/wikibugs2@master] Move wmcs-related notices to #wikimedia-cloud-feed

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/383126

I don't mind the idea of unbreak now still showing up via wikibugs. [in the main channel]

Is that possible? +1 if so!

I don't mind the idea of unbreak now still showing up via wikibugs. [in the main channel]

Is that possible? +1 if so!

Definitely possible but will require some coding in the wikibugs tool. I'm not sure who is the main maintainer of that these days.

Definitely possible but will require some coding in the wikibugs tool. I'm not sure who is the main maintainer of that these days.

Ah, ok. So hypothetically possible but not currently possible. Words are hard! ;-)
Filed as T177798: Allow configuring which priority of tasks are sent to a channel

Also see T177974 for a similar thing that was attempted in the past and lead to removing the channel again now.

Also see T177974 for a similar thing that was attempted in the past and lead to removing the channel again now.

IIUC, that was similar in that they attempted a split of an existing channel, but it was the reverse in that they wanted to move discussion out of a mixed "discussion"+"bots" channel. It's harder to get humans to change their workflows/habits, than to get bots to change! (But on the other hand, yeah, channel-proliferation is a problem.)

Do we want wm-bot in #wikimedia-cloud-feed? I'm not sure if it would afford any benefit but I can add it and configure it if needed.

Change 383126 merged by jenkins-bot:
[labs/tools/wikibugs2@master] Move wmcs-related notices to #wikimedia-cloud-feed

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/383126

bd808 assigned this task to Andrew.