I'm not sure where this info is kept, so I'm not sure what project it should belong to.

and in the widget that let's you search for languages

That should be ULS (which gets its data from CLDR).

But there is also a place in WikimediaMessages.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/418963/

Thanks @Jayprakash12345!

Thanks, @Nikerabbit. I've opened a ticket with CLDR. I guess that's all we can do; should we go ahead and close the ticket here?

I believe you could put in an override in LocalNamesEn.php with a good justification. @Nemo_bis can you check that the ticket meets expectations?

@Jayprakash12345's patch has resulted in the change being made, at least temporarily. @Nemo_bis, do you think this is worthy of inclusion in LocalNamesEn.php? If so, I'll try to make that change. Thanks!

per TJones T189511#4045910

In T189511#4046096, @Nikerabbit wrote:

I believe you could put in an override in LocalNamesEn.php with a good justification. @Nemo_bis can you check that the ticket meets expectations?

@Nemo_bis, do you have any thoughts on this? Anyone else? There's been no action on the CLDR ticket, so I think fixing this locally would be nice, if it makes sense.

It's been another six months. Is there anything I can do to encourage a review of this to see if a local override is warranted?

In T189511#4046096, @Nikerabbit wrote:

I believe you could put in an override in LocalNamesEn.php with a good justification. @Nemo_bis can you check that the ticket meets expectations?

Hm, https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-10991 is not accepted yet, although the only comment from the committee seems positive. It may be worth asking an update there, or adding at least another source. LOC's and Ethnologue are linguistic databases just like CLDR so it can get a bit circular.

@Nemo_bis, thanks for the advice. I've commented over there asking for an update, and added a link to Britannica.

I'm not sure how their process works, or how to interpret it, but the full history shows that the status went from "New" to "Accepted" and then later, when it was assigned, the status went back to "New". Weird.

Any decisions on this? Crimean Tatar is a common name, it is used far more often than the so-called "Crimean Turkish", Britannica, Ethnology, UN - all use Crimean Tatar as the main name.

@Devlet_Geray: No, see link above: https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-10991

@Aklapper , I've already seen that, but there is no decision there either

See previous comments: The decision needs to take place in upstream, and that's CLDR. Wikimedia is blocked as long as CLDR does not decide.

In T189511#5797869, @Aklapper wrote:

See previous comments: The decision needs to take place in upstream, and that's CLDR. Wikimedia is blocked as long as CLDR does not decide.

Is that necessarily the case? Based on comments from @Nikerabbit and @Nemo_bis above, it seems like a local override is possible with "a good justification". I'm not sure what qualifies, but it I think @Devlet_Geray (thanks for bumping this up again!) or I might be able to find more evidence from a wider variety of academic or other sources if that's all it takes.

Would a discussion on the CRH village pump be informative? Some people there speak English, and have helped me in the past.

Hmmm.. The Crimean Tatars have been members of the UNPO ("Underrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization") since 1991 (according to Wikipedia), and their page on the UNPO site only uses "Crimean Tatar". Searching for "Crimean Turkish" (with quotes) gives zero results. "Crimean Tatar" gives 700+ and "Crimean Tatar language" gives 74. So, "Crimean Tatar" seems to be the way they represent themselves in English.

Is there any other kind of justification that would warrant the local override until CLDR acts?

Sorry but why did it stop again? I don't understand what should I do

CLDR also doesn't want to take action. It's strange

In T189511#6753489, @Devlet_Geray wrote:

Sorry but why did it stop again? I don't understand what should I do

Please see the two comments added before your comment - thanks!

@Amire80 @jhsoby : can we fix the English name locally?

Change 699794 had a related patch set uploaded (by Tjones; author: Tjones):

[mediawiki/extensions/cldr@master] Add "Crimean Tatar" as Name for crh in English

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/699794

We've been waiting for three years for a change from CLDR or clear feedback on this ticket, so I've decided to be bold and make the change in LocalNamesEn.php. In addition to being more correct (and making the speaker community happier), it is also more consistent, since crh-cyrl and crh-latn already have local English names of "Crimean Tatar (<x> script)".

Thanks. I don't think this is the only ticket illustrating the problem. See T245927 for another.

Change 699794 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/extensions/cldr@master] Add "Crimean Tatar" as Name for crh in English

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/699794

It's live

@Nikerabbit @Nemo_bis can we do a post-mortem on this request to see how user experience with CLDR (or use of CLDR related data) on WMF sites (especially Wikidata) could be improved?

FYI, it looks like CLDR is finally going to make this change upstream, after only ~4 years.

Should we close this ticket since the local change has been made and future versions of CLDR should use the correct name?

In T189511#7610545, @TJones wrote:

Should we close this ticket since the local change has been made and future versions of CLDR should use the correct name?

@TJones: I'd say so.