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Rename Wikimedia project tags in Phab (#Wikisource; #Wiktionary) to clarify that they are not about language specific instances?
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The project descriptions in Phabricator of #wiktionary and #wikisource say:
"Please do not report language specific tasks under this project (e.g. for en.XXX)."

I do not have numbers but it feels like this is sometimes / often not realized by task authors.
Examples: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181698#3799190 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117362#1836062

I wondered whether to rename those tags to #All-Wikisources/#All-Wiktionaries etc. Or something similar that expresses that the tag is not meant for a specific language instance. Of course this does not apply to Commons. :)

Feedback welcome.

(Note: General discussion about having these tags is off-topic for this very task - please see and use existing tasks like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154549#2916179 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93486 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T802 )

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Aklapper triaged this task as Lowest priority.Jun 8 2018, 1:15 PM
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Nemo_bis subscribed.Jun 11 2018, 11:52 AM

I'm not sure what's wrong with subdomain-specific tasks. The problem of the tasks you linked is that they were not related to a wiki being Wikisource or Commons.

Anyway, the solution seems simple enough to me: just call them "Wikisource.org", "Wiktionary.org" etc.

Aklapper added a comment.Jun 11 2018, 12:02 PM
In T196740#4271757, @Nemo_bis wrote:

I'm not sure what's wrong with subdomain-specific tasks.

Nobody said something is wrong with subdomain-specific tasks. Those tasks are just out of scope for the tags I mentioned and incorrectly placed there.

• Vvjjkkii renamed this task from Rename Wikimedia project tags in Phab (#Wikisource; #Wiktionary) to clarify that they are not about language specific instances? to bebaaaaaaa.Jul 1 2018, 1:05 AM
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Candalua renamed this task from bebaaaaaaa to Rename Wikimedia project tags in Phab (#Wikisource; #Wiktionary) to clarify that they are not about language specific instances?.Jul 2 2018, 8:07 AM
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Aklapper moved this task from Incoming to Projects to change / set on the Project-Admins board.Sep 7 2018, 10:28 AM
Liuxinyu970226 subscribed.Nov 23 2018, 12:28 PM

#Wikisource-general-or-unknown? #Wiktionary-general-or-unknown?

Aklapper added a comment.Nov 23 2018, 1:05 PM

Please no unknown suffixes when there is nothing that is unknown.

Aklapper mentioned this in T154549: Create tags for all Wikimedia projects.May 11 2019, 5:11 PM
Aklapper added a comment.EditedMar 30 2020, 1:43 AM

Some recent examples for people adding the All-and-every-Wikisource or All-and-every-Wiktionary tag to tasks, though the task was about a single specific website only:

Both All-and-every-Wikisource and All-and-every-Wiktionary description say "Please do not report language specific tasks under this project" but I do understand that probably nobody opens and reads a project description page before setting a tag.

Aklapper added a parent task: T93486: There should be wikibooks, wikiquote and wikivoyage community projects.Mar 30 2020, 1:44 AM
Billinghurst subscribed.Mar 30 2020, 11:36 AM

Having the plural itself would be an advantage, and maybe sufficient to change the thinking. Having the word "ALL" to lead would be problematic as nobody will find the sisters by the typing lookahead function, so if you do need all then "WIKISOURCES-ALL" would be okay.

I sometimes think that the explanatory language for the tags was a little confusing, a touch jargonistic and ambiguous "language specific tasks" rather than "tasks that are specific to one wikisource, eg. en.wikisource". Language specific wikisource tasks are resolved at that wikisource. or where someone is lodging a phabricator request for that wiki it is to be tagged as site-specific requests within phabricator.

Aklapper mentioned this in T254555: Create a generic "Bengal-Wikisource" tag in Phabricator.Jun 5 2020, 8:54 AM
Jony subscribed.Jun 5 2020, 10:53 AM
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Aklapper mentioned this in T802: Phabricator projects for Wikimedia sister projects.Jul 1 2020, 10:04 AM
Aklapper added a comment.Oct 4 2020, 2:07 PM

I propose to rename #Wikisource to #All-Wikisources and #Wiktionary to #All-Wiktionaries
Type-ahead should still work, as a dash split string tokens.
I'd also keep the current project tags as secondary/alternative ones (which won't be exposed in the UI).

Aklapper added a comment.Oct 11 2020, 6:18 PM

Got pointed out that this won't be clear either, sigh...

#All-and-every-Wikisource and #All-and-every-Wiktionary?

Aklapper claimed this task.May 17 2021, 12:01 PM

I boldly renamed; see last comment.

Billinghurst added a comment.May 17 2021, 12:07 PM
In T196740#7092564, @Aklapper wrote:

I boldly renamed; see last comment.

and a naive question, will a typeahead for "#wikiso..." find that tag, or will only "#all-..." typing find it? If the ltter, can we have aliases as I am not going to remember that. :-(

Aklapper mentioned this in T93486: There should be wikibooks, wikiquote and wikivoyage community projects.May 17 2021, 12:18 PM
Aklapper added a comment.May 17 2021, 1:37 PM

Try and find out? :P There are aliases.

Aklapper closed this task as Resolved.Jun 10 2021, 7:11 PM
Aklapper mentioned this in T291751: Create #Croatian-Sites tag.Sep 28 2021, 3:42 PM
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