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It is hard to infer that the search autosuggest item »containing…« links to special:search
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In Mediawiki's autosuggest search (in ltr-languages in the top right corner or the viewport) , the bottom most entry links to Special:Search, indicated by the text "containing [query]".


It is probably hard to predict for a user that »containing« will lead to the search page.

(some rough) suggestions:

  • advanced search for…
  • to search page

Event Timeline

Restricted Application added a subscriber: Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptJul 25 2016, 8:07 AM

What about "fulltext search for ..."? The suggestions in the list are all title matches, while the last entry allows you to additionally search the action text content.

What about "fulltext search for ..."?

Good idea imho

debt triaged this task as Medium priority.Jul 28 2016, 10:18 PM

For the most part, this is changing the searchsuggest-containing i18n key to a different value, should be pretty easy. The open question is if that's the right thing to do. @CKoerner_WMF is going to check into that.

As @EBernhardson points out, this is a relatively easy change from a technical perspective. However, I think it's best that we have a conversation with the communities to discuss this change before making it.

The Special:Search page that 'containing...' links to gets about 2 million visits a day on English Wikipedia. Folks are finding it! :) If a change is made we should also consider the implications in other languages.

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=searchsuggest-containing&namespace=8

I'd suggest Jan, as the proposer, reach out to gain consensus before we make any change. It might also be worthwhile to post to the translators-l mailing list. Non-English-native speakers might have better suggestions!

Personal two cents: Not many humans know what "fulltext' is. I'd suggest something more approachable like "search for pages containing..." or similar.

debt raised the priority of this task from Medium to Needs Triage.Aug 3 2016, 8:05 PM
debt removed a project: Discovery-Search.
debt added a subscriber: debt.

I like @CKoerner_WMF's idea - let's reach out and see if this is something that really will help.

Also, I agree with the 'fulltext' search term might not mean a whole lot to people other than technical folks that use the sites.

Moving this back to 'needs triage' and off the search backlog board (keeping it on Discovery board) until we get more information from @Jan_Dittrich

– makes sense to me. I'll ask on the translators mailinglist; for a decision for (or against) a solution in any kind, I lack the quantitative and qualitatitve data.

Restricted Application added a project: Design. · View Herald TranscriptAug 4 2016, 7:28 AM

I'd avoid the term "fulltext", which most people won't know about.

What about just something like “All search results for foobar”?

What about just something like “All search results for foobar”?

Might work, though users who think the autocompleted titles above are search results too may be confused. We could simplify to "Search foobar", which would be consistent with monobook as well (go vs. search).

@Nemo_bis:

Interesting point – what do users understand as "search" vs. "go"; "go" may be better or worse in that case (but maybe we can find some research out there, search is a pretty common thing…)

About the confusion: I suppose the all signifies already that there will be more/different results (although rather vaguely.)

About the confusion: I suppose the all signifies already that there will be more/different results (although rather vaguely.)

Yes, you're right. Something like "(see) more/all (search) results" may work for most users in many languages, with some care for effective translation.

Amire80 added a subscriber: Amire80.Sep 1 2016, 8:52 AM

@Nemo_bis:
Interesting point – what do users understand as "search" vs. "go"; "go" may be better or worse in that case (but maybe we can find some research out there, search is a pretty common thing…)

When Wikimedia sites switched from Monobook to Vector in 2010, I immediately missed the Go button. I had remembered how I loved it when I began using Wikipedia in 2004.

Took me time to realize that not everybody necessarily thinks as I do.

People are diverse, and what different people think about it should be found out by real research and not by guesses and assumptions.

As @EBernhardson points out, this is a relatively easy change from a technical perspective. However, I think it's best that we have a conversation with the communities to discuss this change before making it.
The Special:Search page that 'containing...' links to gets about 2 million visits a day on English Wikipedia. Folks are finding it! :) If a change is made we should also consider the implications in other languages.
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=searchsuggest-containing&namespace=8

This is an important page to explore, but note that some projects may have customized it locally. The Hebrew translation in the code is "כולל" ("containing"), but in the Hebrew Wikipedia it's "חיפוש במנוע החיפוש הפנימי", which is "search in the internal search engine".

I'd actually like to try to change it back it to the default ("containing") because the current wording is too long and repetitive and I have no reason to think that it's clear to all users. But it's crucial to have a way to measure the impact, for example how many people used the feature before and after the change. Just counting the visits to Special:Search is probably not enough, and it would be useful to know that this particular search box feature was used.

Nemo_bis triaged this task as Medium priority.Nov 6 2016, 2:39 PM
Nemo_bis added a project: Vector.
SamanthaNguyen moved this task from Backlog to Needs Design on the Vector board.Jan 5 2017, 4:08 AM
Charlie_WMDE moved this task from Incoming to To Do on the WMDE-Design board.Nov 13 2017, 12:08 PM
Charlie_WMDE moved this task from To Do to Reported Wikidata on the WMDE-Design board.
Amire80 moved this task from Untriaged to Search on the I18n board.Mar 12 2018, 1:28 PM