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Mar 13 2020

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T246762: bot creates |quote= parameters from google books url.

I suspect that the %2 is a corruption of %22 the double quote character; support for that is shown in this edit where the %22 became %2.

Mar 13 2020, 7:09 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Mar 10 2020

Trappist_the_monk created T247302: save log button should save the whole log.
Mar 10 2020, 2:02 PM · AutoWikiBrowser

Mar 3 2020

Trappist_the_monk created T246762: bot creates |quote= parameters from google books url.
Mar 3 2020, 11:44 AM · InternetArchiveBot

Mar 1 2020

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

Extended Date/Time Format (EDTF) Specification as of 2019-02-04. I still think that citoid and other tools that pass dates back and forth should adopt IETF or something similar so that there is a single standard for date representation. Let the templates that present the date information worry about month-name and date format presentation according to the rules of the particular wiki.

Mar 1 2020, 6:06 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

Feb 12 2020

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T244787: language magic word returns non-English language name at en.wiki.

The issue is improper returns from the {{#language:}} magic word. Here are others:

Feb 12 2020, 4:26 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-CLDR, Language-Team

Feb 10 2020

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T244787: language magic word returns non-English language name at en.wiki.

Other anomalies: the Sámi or Sami? Pick one spelling with or without the diacritic to be consistent:

  • {{#language:se|en}} → Northern Sami
  • {{#language:sia|en}} → Akkala Sámi
  • {{#language:sjd|en}} → Kildin Sami
  • {{#language:sje|en}} → Pite Sami
  • {{#language:sjk|en}} → Kemi Sámi
  • {{#language:sjt|en}} → Ter Sámi
  • {{#language:sju|en}} → Ume Sami
  • {{#language:sma|en}} → Southern Sami
  • {{#language:smj|en}} → Lule Sami
  • {{#language:smn|en}} → Inari Sami
  • {{#language:sms|en}} → Skolt Sami
Feb 10 2020, 11:21 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-CLDR, Language-Team
Trappist_the_monk created T244787: language magic word returns non-English language name at en.wiki.
Feb 10 2020, 9:14 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-CLDR, Language-Team

Feb 4 2020

Trappist_the_monk created T244288: bot added |quote= when |quotation= already present.
Feb 4 2020, 9:00 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Jan 3 2020

Trappist_the_monk created T241846: bot ignores valid |pages= alias.
Jan 3 2020, 4:17 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Jan 2 2020

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T241764: Ref displays stray external links icon.

Something else that I notice that you did not mention: theidentifier labels: doi, ISSN, and PMID, all have external link icons; they should not, those labels are wikilinked to their respective articles.

Jan 2 2020, 8:33 PM · VisualEditor, Parsoid, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T241764: Ref displays stray external links icon.

I can't reproduce it; perhaps it is a ve anomaly (I do not use ve)? Does this problem occur because that citation doesn't actually exist in the §Symptoms section?

Jan 2 2020, 8:02 PM · VisualEditor, Parsoid, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T241764: Ref displays stray external links icon.

umm, where did you find that?

Jan 2 2020, 7:38 PM · VisualEditor, Parsoid, Citoid

Dec 31 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T241614: in bot mode, after 50k-ish good edits bot started randomly blanking pages.
Dec 31 2019, 12:41 AM · WorkType-Maintenance, AutoWikiBrowser

Dec 28 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T241517: Wiki read-only.
Dec 28 2019, 8:08 PM · WorkType-Maintenance, AutoWikiBrowser

Dec 27 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T241501: bot adds wholly unnecessary |title=Archived copy.
Dec 27 2019, 10:30 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Dec 19 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T241138: blue linking in cite encyclopedia where |encyclopedia= is wikilinked.

Because in the diff, the responsible editor is InternetArchiveBot. Clicking on the responsible editor's talk page link. On the responsible editor's talk page it says:

Dec 19 2019, 1:04 PM · InternetArchiveBot
Trappist_the_monk created T241138: blue linking in cite encyclopedia where |encyclopedia= is wikilinked.
Dec 19 2019, 12:11 PM · InternetArchiveBot
Trappist_the_monk created T241137: blue linking in cite book where |script-title= is wikilinked.
Dec 19 2019, 12:05 PM · InternetArchiveBot
Trappist_the_monk created T241136: blue linking in cite book where |title= is wikilinked.
Dec 19 2019, 11:51 AM · InternetArchiveBot
Trappist_the_monk created T241134: blue linking in cite book that uses Template:google books in url.
Dec 19 2019, 11:45 AM · InternetArchiveBot

Sep 15 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T231545: bot adds dead link template inside cs1|2 templates.

no. |url-access= has nothing to do with |dead-url=. Perhaps you mean |url-status=?

Sep 15 2019, 4:24 PM · InternetArchiveBot
czar awarded T231545: bot adds dead link template inside cs1|2 templates a The World Burns token.
Sep 15 2019, 4:01 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Sep 8 2019

Trappist_the_monk reopened T200441: Side-by-side comparisons of live and sandbox versions of a template fail because both live and sandbox stylesheets use the same selectors as "Open".

Functionality that "exists" but isn't at all documented, doesn't exist. Please, those of you who know how this wrapper thing works, document it so that the rest of us can learn to use it correctly.

Sep 8 2019, 4:47 PM · User-notice, MW-1.33-notes (1.33.0-wmf.12; 2019-01-08), TemplateStyles

Aug 30 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T231648: bot should add |url-access= parameter.
Aug 30 2019, 2:12 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Aug 29 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T231545: bot adds dead link template inside cs1|2 templates.
Aug 29 2019, 11:52 AM · InternetArchiveBot

Aug 6 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T229908: bot breaks citations with wikilinked titles.
Aug 6 2019, 10:01 AM · InternetArchiveBot

Jul 30 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T229326: bot writes empty cite web and modifies text outside of ref tags.
Jul 30 2019, 12:28 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Jul 28 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T229182: produces nonsense citation templates.
Jul 28 2019, 4:14 PM · InternetArchiveBot

Apr 23 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T221625: mw.title.getCurrentTitle():getContent() is undef when creating new page in VE preview.

thank you.

Apr 23 2019, 6:40 PM · Citoid, VisualEditor
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T221625: mw.title.getCurrentTitle():getContent() is undef when creating new page in VE preview.

Are you saying that what editors see while editing, is a facsimile and not a true preview of the article? It would seem so. When changes are made, ve only only tweaks those pixels that have been changed? Is that why the {{use xxx dates}} templates appear as puzzle pieces – just visual indicators that some non-displaying something is here? So anything that doesn't render directly onto the 'canvas' doesn't preview (except as a puzzle piece). For example {{italic title}} when added via ve, does not italicize the article title, does not render the expected MediaWiki error message when {{italic title}} conflicts with a {{DISPLAYTITLE}} setting that occurs earlier in the page – things we would expect from a true preview. To learn of this kind of error, editors must either shift to the wikisource editor and preview from there or save the page. There is no true preview in ve.

Apr 23 2019, 5:43 PM · Citoid, VisualEditor
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T221625: mw.title.getCurrentTitle():getContent() is undef when creating new page in VE preview.

Not sure I believe that. In the simple create-a-new-article-with-the-wikisource-editor test that I described at Help talk:Citation Style 1, I did not save anything so the preview cannot be, as you claim in that discussion, "against the last saved version of the page" (there is no saved version of a page that has never been saved). I agree that Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration should probably handle a case where mw.title.getCurrentTitle():getContent() returns nil but I do not agree that your proposal to do so is the right and proper remedy of the ve-can't-properly-render-a-preview problem. Clearly because it is possible to preview a never-saved page created by the wikisource editor, the root fault does not lie with ~/Configuration.

Apr 23 2019, 3:09 PM · Citoid, VisualEditor

Apr 18 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T220959: bot includes language icon template in cs1|2 |title= parameter.

So perhaps the solution is to abandon edits when |title= would contain a template because, who knows what gibberish templates emit when rendered. In mainspace at en.wiki, {{it icon}} produces this: <span class="languageicon">(in Italian)</span>[[Category:Articles with Italian-language external links]]. Any of the many language wikis that use a relatively recent version of [[Module:Citation/CS1]] will show the URL–wikilink conflict error message when |title= holds a template that produces a wikilink and when |url= has a value (as it will if the bot is creating a cs1|2 template).

Apr 18 2019, 6:10 PM · InternetArchiveBot (v2.0)

Apr 16 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T220916: ve is apparently writing cs1|2 templates with invalid parameters.

That patent part of Template:Citation has always bothered me as inappropriate. I guess it was a way to render a patent citation with cs2 style as opposed to Template Cite patent's cs1 style.

Apr 16 2019, 10:16 AM · VisualEditor

Apr 15 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T220959: bot includes language icon template in cs1|2 |title= parameter.
Apr 15 2019, 11:42 AM · InternetArchiveBot (v2.0)

Apr 14 2019

Trappist_the_monk created T220916: ve is apparently writing cs1|2 templates with invalid parameters.
Apr 14 2019, 4:33 PM · VisualEditor

Mar 25 2019

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T209493: VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist).

Beijing-Zhangjiakou Railway, The Tomb of Lu Xun, and Zeng Fengnian all exhibit similar issues to the issues described by this ticket – all have html versions of what should be cs1|2 templates (ctrl-f search the source for cite class. These articles were created with Content_translation and Content_translation/V2 – the first two were translated this month and the last one was translated in 2016.

Mar 25 2019, 12:25 AM · Verified, MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), VisualEditor (Current work), Cite, Parsoid

Dec 12 2018

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T209493: VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist).

May also happen with 2017 wikitext editor. This page creation page creation has text and citations that appear to have been copy/pasted from Venom (2018_film).

Dec 12 2018, 3:54 PM · Verified, MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), VisualEditor (Current work), Cite, Parsoid

Dec 7 2018

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T138229: math ml rendering changes and scribunto.

Is this still an issue?

Dec 7 2018, 12:03 PM · Math, MediaWiki-extensions-Scribunto

Nov 30 2018

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T209493: VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist).

This edit at We Are the Romans was apparently made by copy/paste from one article to another using ve. related to the original issue? I don't know but clearly a failure of ve that needs fixing. Discussion about that edit is at the editor's talk page.

Nov 30 2018, 3:32 PM · Verified, MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), VisualEditor (Current work), Cite, Parsoid

Nov 25 2018

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T209493: VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist).

Apparently the bug is not yet dead. This one popped up this morning

Nov 25 2018, 2:09 PM · Verified, MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), VisualEditor (Current work), Cite, Parsoid

Nov 14 2018

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T209493: VE is transforming citation templates into formatted text with "cite class" tags (when copying a reference defined within template-generated reflist).

discussion about this topic at User talk:Trappist the monk#Ownership_(psychology)

Nov 14 2018, 3:53 PM · Verified, MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), VisualEditor (Current work), Cite, Parsoid

Jul 19 2018

Trappist_the_monk updated the task description for T199990: bot creates malformed cs1|2 citation from {{webarchive}}.
Jul 19 2018, 11:26 AM · InternetArchiveBot
Trappist_the_monk created T199990: bot creates malformed cs1|2 citation from {{webarchive}}.
Jul 19 2018, 11:21 AM · InternetArchiveBot

Oct 19 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

because this conversation has apparently collapsed and died without obvious resolution, I have removed the code that supported edtf transformations from the cs1|2 module sandbox.

Oct 19 2017, 11:47 AM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

May 18 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

I'll hack the cs1|2 sandbox to demonstrate this in the next day or two.

Easier than I thought. Discussion and simple examples at en.wiki Help talk:Citation Style 1.

May 18 2017, 4:52 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

The only issue is that they do represent missing precision in the form YYYY-MM

Is that not handled by §5.2.2 Unspecified? That section reads, in part:

  1. Year and month specified, day unspecified.
    • 1999-01-uu
      • some day in January 1999

That form is much the same as the 1999-01-00 form suggested elsewhere and accomplishes the same thing.

May 18 2017, 3:11 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.
In response to T132308#3272430, @Mvolz:

Wait a minute, citoid can render all dates in readable format and in the appropriate language? Tell me again why we've been having this conversation?

May 18 2017, 11:20 AM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

May 17 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

What I wrote was merely a suggestion and should be taken to be just that: a suggestion. It was intended to move the conversation ahead. My point was to show that it is possible to create our own inter-tool date exchange standard so that citoid can transmit dates to the various wikis with their various templates in a consistent and understandable manner. We have already had Editor Jc3s5h declare the YYYY-MM-00 format to be unacceptable, you are suggesting, I think, that requiring that en.wiki editors write an en dash in YYYY–yy year range dates is unacceptable. Are we now stymied? Shall we just up stumps and retire to the pavilion?

May 17 2017, 10:02 AM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

May 16 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

Anything that examines the wikitext and finds yyyy-mm-00 should reject it as completely non-standard.

which is why I wrote:

! In T132308#3266180
Whatever it is that is chosen, document it, adhere to it, and advertise it so that we all know what it is.

May 16 2017, 4:06 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

We do get back dates which violate CS1 rules like 10-04 and 11/11/2007 so we still need to attempt to validate.

At en.wiki the rules are Manual of Style rules that cs1|2 adhere to; they are not 'CS1 rules'

Having our own modified version of ISO that includes seasons and quarters I think increases the burden on citation templates to too great a degree, so as much as it bothers the standards compliant person in me, I think we just have to do this sort of arbitrarily.

May 16 2017, 12:36 AM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

May 14 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

Can anyone think of a publication Summer 2003 date or similar that has an issue number in addition?

May 14 2017, 4:30 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

May 13 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

These are all great suggestions. I think in iso8601 it is not valid to leave out the dashes except when the time is also included as well though.

Section 4.1.2.3 does say that reduced accuracy year and month dates do require the hyphen.

May 13 2017, 2:34 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

... have the template accept the 2007-05 and display this as "May 2007" ...

May 13 2017, 1:30 PM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid
Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T132308: Internationalise citoid dates.

@Trappist_the_monk, do you have any objections to having CS1 support all of the ISO formats?

May 13 2017, 9:19 AM · User-Josve05a, VisualEditor, Citoid

Mar 23 2017

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T157152: Visual Editor adds erroneous text "PMC" to citation template pmc= parameter.

In cs1|2 the name of the identifier has always been PMC; the template parameter name has always been |pmc=; the value to be assigned to |pmc= has always been numeric only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Citation/CS1/Identifiers creates the PMC url from the |pmc= parameter value and from the static partial URL //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC found in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration.

Mar 23 2017, 1:08 PM · User-Ryasmeen, Citoid, VisualEditor

Oct 6 2016

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T123079: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error .

Title in cs1|2 has a specific meaning: |title=. Until now, we have been talking about |work= and its aliases. Does this conversation now also apply to |title=? If so, how?

Oct 6 2016, 10:07 PM · VisualEditor, Citoid

Oct 5 2016

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T123079: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error .

If this is about cs1|2, why are we having this discussion here? Isn't Help talk:Citation Style 1 the more appropriate venue?

Oct 5 2016, 12:52 AM · VisualEditor, Citoid

Oct 4 2016

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T123079: http://www.filmipop.com returns an http protocol in the "websiteTitle" field causing a citation template error .

@Trappist_the_monk: What do you think is the right answer here? The URL validation is going to produce errors when an accurate (although misguided) web page title is put in the title field. But if you don't validate the field, then manual accidents will be less likely to be caught.

Oct 4 2016, 4:07 PM · VisualEditor, Citoid

Aug 22 2016

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T143214: Have IABot use long form URLs for archive.is and webcite.

Essentially if the template can't extract the date and original URL from the archive URL it should throw an error, unless it is an unknown archive.

Have you-all settled on what constitutes a 'long' format url? The RFC seems to indicate that for archive.is, one form has a timestamp with dot separators and one form has a timestamp without separators; for webcite one long-form appears to be the same as the short-form with a url query string tacked on and the other is a query string with url and date keywords.

Aug 22 2016, 6:11 PM · InternetArchiveBot (v1.2), Internet-Archive

Jun 20 2016

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T138229: math ml rendering changes and scribunto.

Perhaps, but I think I realized shortly after that discussion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Lua/Archive_4#stripmarkers_and_mw.text.unstripNoWiki.28.29) that it is necessary for Module:Citation/CS1 to have access to the content of <math>...</math> tags in order to correctly render that information in the citation's metadata. Before I came to that realization, the module was percent encoding the strip marker into the metadata which made gibberish of the information (usually article or book titles) and so rendered it mostly useless to metadata consumers.

Jun 20 2016, 7:26 PM · Math, MediaWiki-extensions-Scribunto
Trappist_the_monk created T138229: math ml rendering changes and scribunto.
Jun 20 2016, 4:10 PM · Math, MediaWiki-extensions-Scribunto

Jan 20 2016

Trappist_the_monk created T124120: |language=English.
Jan 20 2016, 12:02 AM · AutoWikiBrowser, WorkType-Maintenance

Jun 30 2015

Trappist_the_monk added a comment to T104109: No syntax highlight for large JavaScript/CSS/Lua/API pages.

The 100k limit also applies to large modules like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Citation/CS1 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Convert. Both of these have also been copied to and are in use on other wikis. The old version of whatever highlighting code we had worked. The new and improved version should also work.

Jun 30 2015, 10:55 AM · User-notice, JavaScript, SyntaxHighlight, Regression