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Extend PageTriageMaxAge for unpatrolled articles at enwiki
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In 2012, an RFC decided that unpatrolled articles should be NOINDEXED until reviewed and accepted. In 2016, it was implemented differently as discussed here. At that time, it was assumed that new articles would be patrolled within 90 days and it would be sufficient to only honor NOINDEX on mainspace articles for 90 days. The New Page Reviewer user group is at present unable to review articles within 90 days (there is a backlog of 14,000) and requests that the no-indexing of unreviewed articles be extended indefinitely (as discussed here) per the 2012 RFC.

Request: Set wgPageTriageMaxAge to a value higher than 90. Suggested 365 days.

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Per T147544: Unreviewed new articles on English Wikipedia should be marked as noindex, wgPageTriageNoIndexUnreviewedNewArticles is already set to true by default on all production sites. I'm not sure if there's anything else we could do for this task here...

This is a straightforward request from en.Wiki. There are no technical constraints. Please effect asap. Thanks.

The request is not to change wgPageTriageMaxAge from 90 to 365 days, but to have no limit so that articles must be reviewed before they are indexed per the RFC.

Stang renamed this task from NOINDEX unpatrolled articles to Extend PageTriageMaxAge for unpatrolled articles at enwiki.Mon, Jun 20, 1:35 PM
Stang changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Mon, Jun 20, 1:38 PM

Local discussion started at 2022-06-17.

Repeat: The request is not to change wgPageTriageMaxAge from 90 to 365 days, but to have no limit so that articles must be reviewed before they are indexed per the RFC. This is a straightforward request from en.Wiki. There are no technical constraints. Please effect asap. Thanks.

Stang, could you please elucidate what is meant by

Local discussion started at 2022-06-17.

could you please elucidate what is meant by

To process a site configuration change, normally we need to wait for at least one week after local discussion started, that post is just for a record.
Also, in my view wgPageTriageMaxAge does not support no limit at present - but we could change the code of the extension to something like "0 for infinite".

What 'local discussion'? That is what is confusing the NPP task force. Yes, you can easily change the code. It would be great if you could do it as soon as possible because the NPPers have some other wok to do too, and much depends on how quickly this NO INDEX can be done.

@JJMC89 what is the actual status of this request right now?

Change 807910 had a related patch set uploaded (by Majavah; author: Majavah):

[mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage@master] Allow disabling the noindex age threshold

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/807910

@JJMC89 could we have an answer please?

As far as I can tell the discussion on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Proposal:_increase_unreviewed_new_page_search_engine_NOINDEX_duration is still ongoing. After you've made a decision, someone (a volunteer) will write a patch to the configuration change and have it deployed. That is a routine process that can take a few days since the time slots when a change can get deployed are fixed.

The extension does not currently support completely disabling the age threshold. I've written a patch to make that possible, but that still needs to be reviewed and deployed via the slower "train" process which runs once a week.

Change 807910 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage@master] Allow disabling the noindex age threshold

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/807910

The discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Proposal:_increase_unreviewed_new_page_search_engine_NOINDEX_duration has concluded with explicit consensus that the original RFC be implement - NOINDEX duration should be indefinite, that is the article should remain NOINDEXED until it is reviewed. Please proceed with the change.

Change 808424 had a related patch set uploaded (by Stang; author: Stang):

[operations/mediawiki-config@master] enwiki: Raise wgPageTriageMaxAge to indefinite

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/808424