Maniphest T204076

Consider moving page translation language links to the sidebar
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	• Nikerabbit
	Sep 11 2018, 5:51 PM

Description

Thanks to T64702: Extension:Translate's languages box should look like interwiki language links the Translate extension can now display language links in the sidebar.

The $wgPageTranslationLanguageList configuration variable comes with four options:

tag-only: Only display languages with the <languages /> tag.
sidebar-only: Display languages as interlanguage links only and ignore the tag even if present on the page.
sidebar-fallback: Display languages as interlanguage links if no tag is on the page.
sidebar-always: Display languages as interlanguage links and also in tag if it is present on the page.

The extension default option is currently tag-only, to preserve current behavior. Let's use this task to discuss whether we want to use one of the other options on Wikimedia sites, and when/how to do it if so.

sidebar-fallback:

is good for testing this on specific pages
can support pages with both interlanguage links and page translation links
Currently unavailable due to T204914: Improve the way Translate extension injects language links to the interlanguage links section

sidebar-only:

can be used if we want to consistently have the language links in the sidebar
will mix interlanguage and page translation links together, and compact language links feature will be confused by duplicate language codes

Q&A

What happens to pages with regular interlanguage links
1. We think the links will show up mixed together, compact language links feature is likely to not work well with "duplicate" language codes
What happens to the admin actions
1. They will stay in their current place at the top of the page
What happens on mobile views
1. There should be no difference (pending confirmation via testing)
How was this designed/come up with
1. commit message has some information. It was implemented as an experiment to address a frequently asked feature. There is/was also a competing unreviewed patch to address "the issue" in other way.

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Status	Subtype	Assigned	Task
Open		None	T204076 Consider moving page translation language links to the sidebar
Declined	Feature	None	T287075 Translated subpages should inherit the Wikidata sitelinks from the source language page
Resolved		• Nikerabbit	T351866 Fix $wgPageTranslationLanguageList = 'sidebar-fallback'

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• Nikerabbit created this task.Sep 11 2018, 5:51 PM

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There is question about new look: this is designed identically with interwiki language links pane.

But what about the pages that have both translations and interwiki? For example, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:About (as comparision with https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Project:About)
How will they differ on the same page? Currently used these same message from header?

• Nikerabbit updated the task description. (Show Details)Sep 18 2018, 5:46 AM

Johan added a project: User-notice.Sep 20 2018, 2:51 PM

Johan moved this task from To Triage to Not ready to announce on the User-notice board.Sep 20 2018, 2:55 PM

Small note: look of bottom interwiki box in Meta currently is strange - listed interlanguage links targets to Wiikipedia only, but header is "In other languages"

Commons settings is more corectly:

This pane named as "In Wikipedia"

In these settings new box with header like "In other languages" will come here quite clearly.

See also T205071

Kaganer mentioned this in T205071: Meta-wiki sidebar change: header for Wikipedia interwiki box.Sep 21 2018, 9:51 AM

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• Nikerabbit mentioned this in T146134: Improve Special:Translate for mobile devices.Jun 30 2020, 1:57 PM

What is the blocker here?

What happens to pages with regular interlanguage links

I would suggest mixing them and suffixing the local ones with something like "local"
For example

French
French (local)
Spanish

What happens on mobile views

Ideally this same information would be exposed via the API. I don't know how feasible this is. If not we can display them as hidden HTML elements somewhere in the page and pull them into the overlay (happy to help get that done in a separate task)

• Nikerabbit triaged this task as Medium priority.May 24 2021, 11:21 AM

• Nikerabbit moved this task from Backlog to page translation on the MediaWiki-extensions-Translate board.

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