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Nardog added a comment to T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.

@Nardog can you please say more what "inconvenienced" might mean in this context? You described the impact of this issue in the description (thank you!) [i] and you sharing the above about ja.wiki leads me to be wonder whether there are other implications I might not yet be aware of/considering.

Tue, Jun 6, 1:33 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog added a comment to T338151: Space between namespace and talk page title on mobile.

They're even looking to expand this to all namespaces, see T313636#8174638 and T315893.

Tue, Jun 6, 1:00 PM · DiscussionTools
Nardog added a comment to T338151: Space between namespace and talk page title on mobile.
Tue, Jun 6, 12:52 PM · DiscussionTools

Sat, Jun 3

Nardog updated subscribers of T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.

Thanks. I assume you mean @matmarex, not @Batorsz.

Sat, Jun 3, 2:06 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor

Fri, Jun 2

Nardog added a comment to T337280: Improve loading process of the templates-in-use list.

The list should definitely be refreshed at least in the normal live preview (i.e. clicking "Show changes").

Fri, Jun 2, 4:37 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), Realtime Preview
Nardog added a comment to T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.

@ssastry @matmarex Any update? If you're not fixing it anytime soon I suggest that a User-notice is in order.

Fri, Jun 2, 6:27 AM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor

Thu, Jun 1

Nardog added a comment to T336763: Enable PhonosInlineAudioPlayerMode on all projects.

Replied on MW wiki because replying here would be off-topic.

Thu, Jun 1, 3:28 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T336763: Enable PhonosInlineAudioPlayerMode on all projects.

I hope this means you're dropping TTS support entirely from the tag. What you should have been developing from the beginning IMHO are an inline player and a tool to easily upload TTS audio to Commons.

Thu, Jun 1, 2:30 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Fri, May 26

Nardog placed T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech up for grabs.
Fri, May 26, 8:51 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T337081: "Add interlanguage link" shows a bubble: "An unknown error occurred".

It's a widely visible feature across projects, and it was broken for hours if not more. It definitely deserves an entry in Tech News.

Fri, May 26, 5:42 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.11; 2023-05-30), User-notice, Wikimania-Hackathon-2023, Wikidata Dev Team (Sprint-∞), Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient
Nardog reopened T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech as "Open".

Attribution to text-to-speech has not been implemented. You may choose not to work on it but it's certainly not resolved.

Fri, May 26, 3:15 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Thu, May 25

Nardog added a comment to T337280: Improve loading process of the templates-in-use list.

Instead, it should immediately display the whole templates-used list, and then progressively fix up each item with the additional info. This would still mean that there are visual changes, but no extra list items would be added so it'd be a much smoother display. Non-existing templates would still be displayed as redlinks initially, as this info is available from the first action=parse API call.

Yes, please. I've found it frustrating that the list of templates does not appear immediately since T321032.

Thu, May 25, 7:22 AM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), Realtime Preview

Wed, May 24

Nardog added a comment to T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.

@ssastry What do you mean by "heuristics for some use cases"? Surely we can't leave VE's existing support for sortkeys (in the dialog) broken, and while we might as well remove it for the time being, VE must support sortkeys one way or another, or communities like jawiki would continue to be heavily inconvenienced by its absence.

Wed, May 24, 3:00 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog added a comment to T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.

Almost all articles on jawiki has custom sortkeys fwiw. insource:"defaultsort" and insource:"デフォルトソート" returned 1,307,925 out of all 1,374,785 articles. I'm sure there are other such languages.

Wed, May 24, 2:14 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog updated the task description for T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.
Wed, May 24, 1:48 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog added a project to T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor: Regression.
Wed, May 24, 1:42 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog renamed T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor from DEFAUTLSORT not recognized by VisualEditor to DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.
Wed, May 24, 1:41 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor
Nardog created T337398: DEFAULTSORT not recognized by VisualEditor.
Wed, May 24, 1:41 PM · Editing-team, User-notice, Parsoid (Tracking), Regression, VisualEditor

Sat, May 20

Nardog added a comment to T324991: Make Wikibase not rely on the ResourceLoader target system.

Seems to have caused T337081: "Add interlanguage link" shows a bubble: "An unknown error occurred"

Sat, May 20, 7:02 AM · Patch-For-Review, MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), User-ItamarWMDE, Wikidata Dev Team, wmde-wikidata-tech, Wikidata, Wikidata-Campsite, User-Jdlrobson, Technical-Debt (RW-Tech-Debt)
Nardog removed a project from T337081: "Add interlanguage link" shows a bubble: "An unknown error occurred": Desktop Improvements (Vector 2022).

The skin doesn't seem to matter.

Sat, May 20, 6:59 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.11; 2023-05-30), User-notice, Wikimania-Hackathon-2023, Wikidata Dev Team (Sprint-∞), Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient
Nardog added a project to T337081: "Add interlanguage link" shows a bubble: "An unknown error occurred": Desktop Improvements (Vector 2022).
Sat, May 20, 6:50 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.11; 2023-05-30), User-notice, Wikimania-Hackathon-2023, Wikidata Dev Team (Sprint-∞), Wikidata, MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseClient

Thu, May 18

Nardog added a comment to T202916: Stop changing my "Group results by page" prefs based on a URL that I've clicked on.

The obvious solution to me is to save the preference only when the checkbox is clicked (i.e. not through the URL).

Thu, May 18, 6:37 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.11; 2023-05-30), User-notice, Growth-Team-Filtering, Growth-Team, Edit-Review-Improvements-RC-Page, MediaWiki-Recent-changes

Fri, May 12

Nardog renamed T336504: Transcluding Special:Prefixindex can force the default skin from Using Special:Prefixindex can force the default skin to Transcluding Special:Prefixindex can force the default skin.
Fri, May 12, 12:47 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Beta-Cluster-reproducible, Growth-Team, GrowthExperiments, Wikimedia-production-error, Regression

Thu, May 11

Nardog updated the task description for T336504: Transcluding Special:Prefixindex can force the default skin.
Thu, May 11, 2:20 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Beta-Cluster-reproducible, Growth-Team, GrowthExperiments, Wikimedia-production-error, Regression
Nardog updated the task description for T336504: Transcluding Special:Prefixindex can force the default skin.
Thu, May 11, 2:18 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Beta-Cluster-reproducible, Growth-Team, GrowthExperiments, Wikimedia-production-error, Regression

Tue, May 9

Nardog added a comment to T334441: Real time preview mixes up the transclusion list.
Tue, May 9, 2:12 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), Realtime Preview

May 1 2023

Nardog added a comment to T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech.

attribution_icon_label.png (35×298 px, 3 KB)

attribution_icon_plain.png (42×228 px, 3 KB)

(Examples from https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Phonos_Natural4 and https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Phonos_Natural3)

May 1 2023, 3:47 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Apr 29 2023

Nardog updated the task description for T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages.
Apr 29 2023, 8:22 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), JavaScript, Performance Issue, Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing
Nardog updated the task description for T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages.
Apr 29 2023, 4:14 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), JavaScript, Performance Issue, Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing
Nardog added a subtask for T321032: When using preview, the edit link and protection status is lost in "Template used in this preview": T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages.
Apr 29 2023, 4:10 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.4; 2023-04-10), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Patch-For-Review, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)
Nardog added a subtask for T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking): T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages.
Apr 29 2023, 4:10 PM · JavaScript, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Tracking-Neverending
Nardog added parent tasks for T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages: T321032: When using preview, the edit link and protection status is lost in "Template used in this preview", T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking).
Apr 29 2023, 4:10 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), JavaScript, Performance Issue, Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing
Nardog created T335624: Live preview can send hundreds of requests at once to get protection level messages.
Apr 29 2023, 4:08 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), JavaScript, Performance Issue, Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing

Apr 18 2023

Nardog added a comment to T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).

Some users may have already concluded that the ability to edit in the ways that were affected was simply removed, so I think we should tell them it's been fixed. We don't have to go into what those ways were and we can just say something along the lines of "From April xx to yy, you could not save certain kinds of edits on the mobile version of a wiki. This has been fixed."

Apr 18 2023, 7:21 PM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions
Nardog added a comment to T334940: All Graphs broken on Wikimedia wikis (due to security issue T334895).

Through what channel, may I ask?

Apr 18 2023, 1:11 PM · Regression, User-notice, Tech-Ambassadors, MediaWiki-extensions-Graph
Nardog updated the task description for T334930: "TypeError: range is null" with 2017 editor.
Apr 18 2023, 12:34 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), VisualEditor, JavaScript, Wikimedia-production-error, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Nardog created T334930: "TypeError: range is null" with 2017 editor.
Apr 18 2023, 10:57 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), VisualEditor, JavaScript, Wikimedia-production-error, VisualEditor-MediaWiki-2017WikitextEditor
Nardog added a comment to T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).

Thanks for the fix. Shouldn't this be in User-notice?

Apr 18 2023, 10:04 AM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions

Apr 16 2023

Nardog updated the task description for T334799: Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile.
Apr 16 2023, 3:17 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend
Nardog updated the task description for T334799: Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile.
Apr 16 2023, 3:16 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend
Nardog renamed T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long) from Impossible to undo any edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long) to Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).
Apr 16 2023, 3:14 AM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions
Nardog updated the task description for T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).
Apr 16 2023, 2:49 AM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions
Nardog added a comment to T334263: MobileFrontend editor loads on top of WikiEditor when following a link to action=edit.

Likely caused by this change:

Apr 16 2023, 2:38 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.5; 2023-04-17), Editing-team (Kanban Board), MobileFrontend
Nardog renamed T334799: Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile from The default MediaWiki editor is not loading on mobile to Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile.
Apr 16 2023, 2:33 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend
Nardog added a comment to T334799: Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile.
Apr 16 2023, 1:52 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend
Nardog added a comment to T334799: Editor doesn't load when editing CSS/JS/Lua on mobile.
Apr 16 2023, 1:46 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend

Apr 15 2023

Nardog updated the task description for T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).
Apr 15 2023, 7:23 PM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions
Nardog added a project to T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long): Mobile.
Apr 15 2023, 7:22 PM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions
Nardog created T334797: Impossible to edit without JS or undo an edit on mobile site (414 URI Too Long).
Apr 15 2023, 7:19 PM · User-notice-archive, Skipped QA, Editing-team (Kanban Board), Mobile, MobileFrontend, Advanced Mobile Contributions

Apr 11 2023

Nardog added a subtask for T321032: When using preview, the edit link and protection status is lost in "Template used in this preview": T333808: Live preview incorrectly shows transclusions that are blue links in red.
Apr 11 2023, 8:49 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.4; 2023-04-10), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Patch-For-Review, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)
Nardog added a parent task for T333808: Live preview incorrectly shows transclusions that are blue links in red: T321032: When using preview, the edit link and protection status is lost in "Template used in this preview".
Apr 11 2023, 8:49 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing
Nardog added a comment to T321032: When using preview, the edit link and protection status is lost in "Template used in this preview".

Why is T334518 the parent task? Did you mean the other way around?

Apr 11 2023, 8:23 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.4; 2023-04-10), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Patch-For-Review, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)
Nardog added a subtask for T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking): T333808: Live preview incorrectly shows transclusions that are blue links in red.
Apr 11 2023, 8:23 PM · JavaScript, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Tracking-Neverending
Nardog added a parent task for T333808: Live preview incorrectly shows transclusions that are blue links in red: T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking).
Apr 11 2023, 8:23 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing

Apr 5 2023

Nardog updated subscribers of T270662: Diff and history links missing for grouped category changes on Watchlist/RecentChanges.

@Umherirrender @matej_suchanek Can you please look into T148533 as well?

Apr 5 2023, 3:11 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.4; 2023-04-10), Growth-Team-Filtering, MediaWiki-Recent-changes, MediaWiki-Watchlist, Growth-Team, CatWatch
Nardog added a comment to T270662: Diff and history links missing for grouped category changes on Watchlist/RecentChanges.
Apr 5 2023, 3:10 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.4; 2023-04-10), Growth-Team-Filtering, MediaWiki-Recent-changes, MediaWiki-Watchlist, Growth-Team, CatWatch

Apr 3 2023

Nardog created T333808: Live preview incorrectly shows transclusions that are blue links in red.
Apr 3 2023, 9:47 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), Realtime Preview, MediaWiki-Page-editing

Apr 2 2023

Nardog edited projects for T333764: Remove "@import prevents parallel downloads" notice from css pages, added: CodeEditor, Upstream; removed Ace editor updates.
Apr 2 2023, 1:14 PM · Upstream, CodeEditor

Mar 31 2023

Nardog added a comment to T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech.

Or maybe a bigger button that only appears when hovering?

I've thought of that, and although it's an enticing idea, I can't think of a neat way. Anything that reflows the rest of the paragraph would be disruptive (if it's at the end of a visual line, it could wrap to the next, making it never clickable), and position:absolute (or something akin to it) could stick out of the content. So AFAICS the only thing that's satisfactory both visually and UX-wise is something that pops up vertically.

Mar 31 2023, 2:17 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 30 2023

Nardog added a comment to T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech.

Again, "🔊ⁱ" is far too small to even notice or click and could pose an accessibility issue. The button is already relatively short (the height of the text) so anything shorter would be too short. And since both the 🔊 icon and the text following it make up one button, a superscript inside (or after) it is invariably awkward. I bet use of any text is problematic given it'll be embedded within prose (how are screen readers going to read it?).

Mar 30 2023, 4:07 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 28 2023

Nardog added a comment to T319690: ULS button shows empty popup when no languages (if compact language selector setting is off).

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I agree that Wikidata cannot be a complete alternative for 100% of the cases. However, I think that the fragmentation a setting like this introduce has a cost. Especially when users will have the languages they look for right there in the "suggested languages" section (and searching is the most common access path when they don't). I think the efforts to maintain two separate versions would be better spent towards making the default version faster instead.

Mar 28 2023, 10:15 AM · Language-Team (Language-2023-January-March), MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.10; 2022-11-14), Patch-For-Review, Readers-Web-Backlog, UniversalLanguageSelector
Nardog updated the task description for T333321: Disabling Compact Language Links has no effect on Vector 2022.
Mar 28 2023, 9:52 AM · Community Feedback (Web), ULS-CompactLinks, UniversalLanguageSelector, Desktop Improvements (Vector 2022)
Nardog updated the task description for T333321: Disabling Compact Language Links has no effect on Vector 2022.
Mar 28 2023, 9:45 AM · Community Feedback (Web), ULS-CompactLinks, UniversalLanguageSelector, Desktop Improvements (Vector 2022)
Nardog created T333321: Disabling Compact Language Links has no effect on Vector 2022.
Mar 28 2023, 9:42 AM · Community Feedback (Web), ULS-CompactLinks, UniversalLanguageSelector, Desktop Improvements (Vector 2022)

Mar 23 2023

Nardog added a comment to T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech.

When ipa is passed (or wikibase, where IPA is rendered), the "i icon" should instead indicate the audio was machine-generated.

Is this to be done in a popup (PopupButtonWidget)? If so it would be nice if the editor could customize the message in the tag, such as "Report problems here" linking to a noticeboard. (If it's just a link instead of a popup, at least make the destination customizable.)

Mar 23 2023, 1:30 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 22 2023

Nardog added a comment to T324102: Attribute Phonos audio to file or text-to-speech.

Please let it be a button. The superscript "i" is so small you can barely click it and enwp did away with it a long time ago.

Mar 22 2023, 9:29 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.9; 2023-05-15), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 14 2023

Nardog updated the task description for T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.
Mar 14 2023, 10:04 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog renamed T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for from Make IPA optional to Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.
Mar 14 2023, 10:04 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T332006: Undeploy Phonos from afwiktionary, arwiki.

I don't know if this means you're actually going with the bonkers decision that is reducing the supported languages (which would rip my heart out), but at any rate I just want to note just because the wikis are in the respective languages doesn't mean Phonos couldn't have wide application on them. This is especially true for the Wiktionary.

Mar 14 2023, 9:44 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog awarded T331640: Users can make Phonos read arbitrary text if the IPA is invalid a Dislike token.
Mar 14 2023, 9:30 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T331640: Users can make Phonos read arbitrary text if the IPA is invalid.

This displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what the CWS wish was. They weren't asking for a tool that generated audio from IPA as editors. They were asking for a feature that made trying to read IPA redundant as readers. It doesn't make a lick of difference whether the audio is actually generated from IPA as input, as long as competent human editors heard and put it. Even if it didn't support any IPA input it would still be a satisfactory solution.

Mar 14 2023, 9:23 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 10 2023

Nardog placed T331502: Ping and notification icons changed from gray to black in skin Vector 2010 up for grabs.
Mar 10 2023, 1:17 AM · Regression, Vector (legacy skin), Notifications, Growth-Team

Mar 9 2023

Nardog added a comment to T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.

I mean, what are you even rolling it out on Afrikaans Wiktionary and Arabic Wikipedia for if you're not going to support Afrikaans or Arabic?! The fact you chose them as pilot wikis tells me you weren't thinking this through. As long as you're using Google and don't intend to exclude dozens of widely spoken and minoritized languages, you have to make IPA optional.

Mar 9 2023, 7:08 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T331640: Users can make Phonos read arbitrary text if the IPA is invalid.

If the goal was never to support generic text-to-speech, then you chose the wrong TTS. Google supports IPA in only a handful (18) of its supported languages/dialects, whereas Microsoft supports it in most (103) (though still saying "Always provide human-readable speech as a fallback"). The investigation seems to have overlooked this aspect.

Mar 9 2023, 6:33 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog updated subscribers of T324107: Support pauses (concatenating multiple utterances).

But every single task in MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos is also tagged with Community-Tech except for this one, hence the question. @MusikAnimal's patch even indicates intention to work on it. @KSiebert If it is indeed your team's decision not to work on this, I'd like some explanation.

Mar 9 2023, 6:07 PM · Community-Tech, MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.14; 2022-12-12), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog updated subscribers of T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.

@dmaza So let me get this straight. You're saying that Phonos is going to stop supporting

Mar 9 2023, 5:43 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 8 2023

Nardog updated subscribers of T324107: Support pauses (concatenating multiple utterances).

@KSiebert Hi, what's going on? Are you removing all Phonos-related tasks from the CommTech board? If not, why just this one?

Mar 8 2023, 4:03 PM · Community-Tech, MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.14; 2022-12-12), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T331502: Ping and notification icons changed from gray to black in skin Vector 2010.

Looks like this is a deliberate change: T329300: "all read" notifications icons styled inconsistently in Vector 2022

Mar 8 2023, 10:27 AM · Regression, Vector (legacy skin), Notifications, Growth-Team

Mar 7 2023

Nardog added a comment to T327226: Add hook to allow scripts to mutate the Audio object.
Mar 7 2023, 4:03 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-42), MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.27; 2023-03-13), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T327226: Add hook to allow scripts to mutate the Audio object.

But we're not officially supporting changing the playback rate, are we? I thought it was just one of myriad things you could exploit the hook for. So it makes little sense to me to single out playbackRate and prepare for its being modified, when there are countless other things the hook may be used for that make the default behavior unexpected.

Mar 7 2023, 3:56 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-42), MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.27; 2023-03-13), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 4 2023

Nardog added a comment to T327708: File usage by Phonos should be registered and tracked.

Pretty sure this task is only about file="". Which indeed should be tracked, otherwise a file may be mistakenly deleted for being unused.

Mar 4 2023, 5:42 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.1; 2023-03-20), Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-42), WMF-Internships-2023, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 2 2023

Nardog added a comment to T327708: File usage by Phonos should be registered and tracked.

I think it should register as a file usage, not a mere link.

Mar 2 2023, 11:41 PM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.1; 2023-03-20), Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-42), WMF-Internships-2023, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T327226: Add hook to allow scripts to mutate the Audio object.

The rate change works for me on en-rtl too. Note the visual indication of progress with the animated background doesn't change even if you set playbackRate.

Mar 2 2023, 4:52 AM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-42), MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.27; 2023-03-13), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Mar 1 2023

Nardog added a comment to T330825: Add special page to list engine info (supported languages etc.).

Good idea. There should be a list of supported phonemes/alphabets (or at least a link to TTS documentation with such a list) too.

Mar 1 2023, 9:50 AM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T330840: Phonos does not support Chinese IPA.

Phonos does not support Chinese IPA because Google's text-to-speech, which Phonos relies on (on WMF sites), doesn't. It does accept Pinyin for Mandarin and Jyutping for Cantonese, however. The task for supporting them is T324109.

Mar 1 2023, 9:46 AM · Chinese-Sites, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos, Community-Tech
Nardog added a comment to T324913: Curation toolbar fails to load occasionally for pages in the PageTriage queue.

ext.pageTriage.util (which ext.pageTriage.util/models/ext.pageTriage.article.js is in) is required by ext.pageTriage.views.toolbar, which is defined in Hooks.php, not in extension.json. Perhaps ext.pageTriage.toolbarStartup should require it too?

Mar 1 2023, 7:53 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.10; 2023-05-23), Moderator-Tools-Team (Kanban), Patch-For-Review, Wikimedia-production-error, Growth-Team, PageTriage
Nardog added a comment to T324738: Add voice="" attribute, for selecting engine voice.

That's my point: making them mutually exclusive entails assuming that all supported engines will assign unique names, and usually the less assumptions the better.

Mar 1 2023, 3:48 AM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T324738: Add voice="" attribute, for selecting engine voice.

Do you think it would be a good idea to allow for both voice and lang? It seems that they should be mutually exclusive, but we can always prioritize voice selection when present.

Mar 1 2023, 3:13 AM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Feb 28 2023

Nardog updated subscribers of T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.

TTS support for text only in phonos should fail with an error

A user can make IPA optional in a sense by using an IPA character not supported by Google, as it will ignore the unsupported IPA and just read the text.

For example:

<phonos ipa="#" text="blahblah" lang="en" />

It will ignore the # and just read blahblah.

The idea is to make it possible without a hack like this.

Feb 28 2023, 3:40 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T326828: Indicate progress during playback.

That's more or less intentional (the former video looks too similar to the latter but I assume that's due to the framerate). "Reduced motion" doesn't mean no motion. Just because the user has asked reduced motion doesn't mean they don't want the benefit of being able to see the progress (at least I certainly do, and I have prefers-reduced-motion on my phone), and the benefit is precisely greater for longer files. Of course the regular looks similar to the reduced when the file is long or the button is short, because there's not enough room for the animation to be smooth in the first place. It's the regular motion that's become similar to the reduced motion, not the other way around.

Feb 28 2023, 2:55 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)

Feb 27 2023

Nardog created T330659: Officially support languages the TTS does not support IPA for.
Feb 27 2023, 2:07 PM · Community-Tech, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog added a comment to T325796: Fix aria-label for when 'text' is empty.

Is it worth making the label customizable? So that more specific details could be provided when required? e.g.

<phonos file="intro.mp3" aria-label="Listen to the opening bars of the piece" />

I doubt it given what @Graham87 said above. If it is not obvious what the audio is about without the label, then it's probably not obvious to sighted readers either. It couldn't hurt to make it customizable, but it might accidentally invite overexplanation that doesn't actually help screenreader users. Obviously deferring to Graham (or anyone else using screenreaders or with experience in accessibility development) though.

Feb 27 2023, 11:27 AM · MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.26; 2023-03-06), Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-41), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos

Feb 26 2023

Nardog added a comment to T320415: Phonos icon on the wrong side in RTL on MonoBook.

Doesn't look great on Firefox RTL.

Feb 26 2023, 7:28 AM · MW-1.41-notes (1.41.0-wmf.3; 2023-04-03), Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), I18n, MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos, RTL
Nardog added a subtask for T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking): T277359: Lua logs not collapsible in live preview.
Feb 26 2023, 6:31 AM · JavaScript, MediaWiki-Page-editing, Tracking-Neverending
Nardog added a parent task for T277359: Lua logs not collapsible in live preview: T41272: Bugs in "Live preview" feature (tracking).
Feb 26 2023, 6:31 AM · MW-1.36-notes (1.36.0-wmf.37; 2021-03-30), MediaWiki-Parser, MediaWiki-extensions-Scribunto, MediaWiki-Page-editing
Nardog added a comment to T326828: Indicate progress during playback.

Thanks for the feedback! Yes I used @wmui-color-accent90, the same as :hover.

Feb 26 2023, 6:11 AM · MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)

Feb 24 2023

Nardog added a comment to T330504: Final design desk check: Phonos UI.

T324102, which concerns a legal requirement, will likely entail converting PhonosButton to an extension of (or wrapping it in) ButtonGroupWidget and thus a CSS overhaul.

Feb 24 2023, 6:11 PM · Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog updated subscribers of T326828: Indicate progress during playback.

@JSengupta-WMF Can you comment on this? Even if you didn't think the feature as requested was a good idea, I think you'll agree that the UX leaves something to be desired, as the button barely changes when you click it unless you move the cursor away.

Feb 24 2023, 6:07 PM · MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos, Community-Tech (CommTech-Kanban)

Feb 22 2023

Nardog added a comment to T325796: Fix aria-label for when 'text' is empty.

Note that when file= is used, the audio is not necessarily of a pronunciation.

Feb 22 2023, 2:53 PM · MW-1.40-notes (1.40.0-wmf.26; 2023-03-06), Community-Tech (CommTech-Sprint-41), MediaWiki-extensions-Phonos
Nardog merged T276265: Cannot enter negative numbers in OOUI NumberInputWidget into T286341: NumberInputWidget does not allow to type on keyboard the minus sign "-".
Feb 22 2023, 1:45 PM · OOUI