⚓ T248309 StructuredDiscussions (Flow): Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature)

	Subject	Repo	Branch	Lines +/-
	Beta preference: remove from beta features for disabled users	mediawiki/extensions/Flow	master	+31 -6

Status	Assigned	Task
In Progress	Niharika	T324492 Temporary accounts - MVP
Open	None	T326816 Update features for temporary accounts
Open	KStoller-WMF	T326877 [Epic] Update Growth Team-owned products that may be affected by IP Masking
Open	None	T335670 Disable Flow/Structured Discussions from all namespaces, except for user talk pages, on Catalan Wikipedia
Open	None	T106123 Extensions needing to be removed from Wikimedia wikis
Open	None	T332022 [Epic] Undeploying StructuredDiscussions (Flow)
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T346108 [EPIC] IP Masking: StructuredDiscussions (Flow)/LiquidThreads Community discussion
Resolved	Urbanecm_WMF	T345484 Data on usage of StructuredDiscussions (Flow)
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T348675 IP Masking/StructuredDiscussions/LiquidThreads: define a schedule for community consultations
Resolved	Urbanecm_WMF	T350073 List wikis where Flow and LiquidThreads are used
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T350162 Define and distribute messages to communities and contact points for IP/LQT/Flow
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T351257 Lift off the technical blockers for actions offered in communities messaging
Resolved	Sgs	T248309 StructuredDiscussions (Flow): Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature)
Resolved	Sgs	T352565 Edit flow-talk-page-beta-feature-description to reflect the upcoming deprecation
Open	None	T350164 [Spike] Investigate Undeploying LiquidThreads
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T350166 IP Masking/StructuredDiscussions/LiquidThreads: community consultations
Resolved	Trizek-WMF	T350168 IP Masking: StructuredDiscussions (Flow)/LiquidThreads: write a summary of community conversations
Resolved	Urbanecm_WMF	T352174 Track the number of messages posted on StructuredDiscussions on a daily basis

kostajh created this task.Mar 23 2020, 12:06 PM

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kostajh moved this task from Inbox to Needs Discussion on the Growth-Team board.Mar 23 2020, 12:07 PM

Related to T234241.

kostajh mentioned this in T265534: Flow - initiateChange failed to enable Flow on User talk page.Oct 19 2020, 10:29 AM

Enabled on arwiki, bswiki, cawiki, cawikiquote, elwiki, frwiki, frwikiquote, frwikisource, frwikiversity, frwikivoyage, nowiki, orwiki, urwiki, viwikisource, wawiki, wawiktionary, zhwiki, zhwikisource, wikidatawiki, specieswiki, outreachwiki. So it would require a fair amount of coordination.

kostajh mentioned this in T269839: Flow talk page manager mess up user talk page.Dec 10 2020, 11:17 AM

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Pppery merged a task: T335772: Remove the activation of Structured Discussions on user talk pages from Beta features.May 2 2023, 3:54 PM

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Trizek-WMF mentioned this in T335670: Disable Flow/Structured Discussions from all namespaces, except for user talk pages, on Catalan Wikipedia.May 3 2023, 2:42 PM

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Tgr mentioned this in T327420: Growth: Engineering testing for IP Masking.Jul 8 2023, 12:01 AM

Occasion 1 and 2 can be merged — Users currently not using Flow would not have it listed Beta Features. For occasion 3, if I turn it off momentarily, I would fall into the 2nd category and thus cannot have it turned on again.

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Trizek-WMF mentioned this in T351257: Lift off the technical blockers for actions offered in communities messaging.Nov 14 2023, 8:33 PM

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In the context of T346108: [EPIC] IP Masking: StructuredDiscussions (Flow)/LiquidThreads Community discussion, we need to revive this task.

The TL;DR is: we prefer to avoid a very costly adaptation of StructuredDiscussions to Temporary accounts, and we will remove SD from the wikis as a mid-term objective.

As a consequence, during these conversations, we encourage communities to be proactive, by archiving StructuredDiscusions pages and locking them. We have to be sure that no one can create a new SD board on their talk page.

The idea is:

if I have SD activated on my talk page, the option to turn it off is visible in my Beta features
if I don't have SD activated on my talk page, the option to turn it on is not visible in my Beta features

KStoller-WMF renamed this task from Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature) to StructuredDiscussions (Flow): Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature).Nov 15 2023, 6:25 PM

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Trizek-WMF added a parent task: T351257: Lift off the technical blockers for actions offered in communities messaging.Nov 29 2023, 3:35 PM

Trizek-WMF added a subtask: T352565: Edit flow-talk-page-beta-feature-description to reflect the upcoming deprecation .Dec 1 2023, 6:25 PM

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hubaishan subscribed.Dec 4 2023, 5:43 PM

Change 980031 had a related patch set uploaded (by Sergio Gimeno; author: Sergio Gimeno):

[mediawiki/extensions/Flow@master] Beta preference: remove from beta features for disabled users

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/980031

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Trizek-WMF mentioned this in T352199: Beta preferences for Structured Discussions aren't showing the state of the user's talk page.Dec 6 2023, 5:19 PM

As discussed with @Urbanecm_WMF, we will deploy this change on next week's train. I will announce it in Tech News.

Trizek-WMF moved this task from To Triage to In current Tech/News draft on the User-notice board.Dec 12 2023, 2:24 PM

Added.

T352565: Edit flow-talk-page-beta-feature-description to reflect the upcoming deprecation would be nice-to-have to complete this change.

KStoller-WMF edited projects, added Growth-Team (Sprint 5 (Growth Team)); removed Growth-Team (Sprint 4 (Growth Team)).Dec 12 2023, 2:52 PM

Sgs moved this task from Incoming to Code Review on the Growth-Team (Sprint 5 (Growth Team)) board.Dec 12 2023, 4:52 PM

In T248309#9399938, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

Added.

T352565: Edit flow-talk-page-beta-feature-description to reflect the upcoming deprecation would be nice-to-have to complete this change.

I added the translation update requested in T352565 to the same change so they rollout together, hope that makes sense.

Urbanecm_WMF moved this task from Code Review to QA on the Growth-Team (Sprint 5 (Growth Team)) board.Dec 14 2023, 3:16 PM

Change 980031 merged by jenkins-bot:

[mediawiki/extensions/Flow@master] Beta preference: remove from beta features for disabled users

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/980031

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In T248309#9334909, @Trizek-WMF wrote:

In the context of T346108: [EPIC] IP Masking: StructuredDiscussions (Flow)/LiquidThreads Community discussion, we need to revive this task.

The TL;DR is: we prefer to avoid a very costly adaptation of StructuredDiscussions to Temporary accounts, and we will remove SD from the wikis as a mid-term objective.

As a consequence, during these conversations, we encourage communities to be proactive, by archiving StructuredDiscusions pages and locking them. We have to be sure that no one can create a new SD board on their talk page.

The idea is:

if I have SD activated on my talk page, the option to turn it off is visible in my Beta features

if I don't have SD activated on my talk page, the option to turn it on is not visible in my Beta features

@Trizek-WMF - the current behavior in beta is according to the specs:

when a user disables Structured Discussion (Flow) option from Preferences, the option is removed from the list of beta features.
users who never enabled Flow, the Structured Discussion (Flow) option is not present in the Preferences.
new users won't have the Structured Discussion (Flow) option in the Preferences.

Etonkovidova mentioned this in T352565: Edit flow-talk-page-beta-feature-description to reflect the upcoming deprecation .Dec 18 2023, 10:34 PM

Etonkovidova mentioned this in T353830: [wmf.10-group 0] Flow option not present in Preferences-Beta for users with active Flow boards .Dec 20 2023, 6:30 PM