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Consider how to allow users to create new discussions on non-existent (red linked) talk pages
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Description

As discussed by @matmarex and @DannyS712 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/623117, adding new discussions to non-existent pages is an edge case that will need special handling.

Currently all links to such pages (red links) will append &action=edit which will take you straight into the full page source editor.

Open questions

  • 1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the New section / Add topic affordance on non-existent talk pages? Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.
    • We'll consider the experience holistically and then breakout the work needed to realize this experience after having done so. See: T270323#6767558.
  • 2. Is this ticket a duplicate of T252902?
    • Answering this question depends on us first being clear about what is going to be implemented in T274831 and T274832.

Event Timeline

Notes/outcomes from 20-Jan team meeting

  • 1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the New section / Add topic affordance on non-existent talk pages? Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.

We all came to think it would be best to consider the not-yet-created talk page experience holistically. [i] From there, we can determine how we might implement the component parts to realize the "whole."

To determine how we ought to prioritize the above, we came to see it as important to know how prevalent non-existent talk pages are. The work to find this out will happen in this ticket: T272657.


i. "Holistically" = from how people will experience the talk page appears in read mode through adding a new topic that will, in effect, create the page.