Consider how to allow users to create new discussions on non-existent (red linked) talk pages
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As discussed by @matmarex and @DannyS712 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/623117, adding new discussions to non-existent pages is an edge case that will need special handling.

Currently all links to such pages (red links) will append &action=edit which will take you straight into the full page source editor.

Open questions

1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the New section / Add topic affordance on non-existent talk pages? Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.
- We'll consider the experience holistically and then breakout the work needed to realize this experience after having done so. See: T270323#6767558.
2. Is this ticket a duplicate of T252902?
- Answering this question depends on us first being clear about what is going to be implemented in T274831 and T274832.

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Status	Assigned	Task
Open	None	T276497 Scale DiscussionTools to all projects
Open	None	T251207 [Epic] Scale DiscussionTools to all Wikipedias
Open	None	T275256 Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at all wikis
Open	None	T271964 Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis
Open	None	T249579 [EPIC] Visual enhancements: make the actions, activity and content within talk pages easier to understand
Open	None	T252902 Redesign empty state for talk pages that have not been created
Open	None	T233446 [Epic] New Discussion Tool
Open	None	T270323 Consider how to allow users to create new discussions on non-existent (red linked) talk pages

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Esanders created this task.Dec 16 2020, 5:50 PM

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Esanders added a parent task: T233446: [Epic] New Discussion Tool.Dec 16 2020, 5:51 PM

ppelberg added a project: Editing-team (FY2020-21 Kanban Board).Dec 16 2020, 10:09 PM

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ppelberg added a parent task: T271964: Make New Discussion Tool available as opt-out feature at partner wikis.Jan 20 2021, 4:51 PM

ppelberg added a parent task: T252902: Redesign empty state for talk pages that have not been created.

ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)Jan 20 2021, 4:55 PM

Notes/outcomes from 20-Jan team meeting

1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the New section / Add topic affordance on non-existent talk pages? Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.

We all came to think it would be best to consider the not-yet-created talk page experience holistically. [i] From there, we can determine how we might implement the component parts to realize the "whole."

To determine how we ought to prioritize the above, we came to see it as important to know how prevalent non-existent talk pages are. The work to find this out will happen in this ticket: T272657.

i. "Holistically" = from how people will experience the talk page appears in read mode through adding a new topic that will, in effect, create the page.

ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)Jan 22 2021, 1:20 AM

matmarex merged a task: T277377: New section tool doesn't work when talk page doesn't exist yet.Mar 15 2021, 12:20 PM

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matmarex mentioned this in T276851: DiscussionsTools and VisualEditor for Wikibooks.Mar 15 2021, 12:22 PM

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ppelberg updated the task description. (Show Details)Wed, Mar 31, 4:50 PM

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