This task represents the work involving with designing the experiences people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled will have when they attempt to start a new discussion on a talk page, across namespaces, that has not yet been created yet.
Background
As discussed by @matmarex and @DannyS712 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/DiscussionTools/+/623117, adding new discussions to non-existent pages is a case that will need special handling.
Currently, all links to such pages (red links) will append &action=edit which, when clicked, will take people straight into the full page source editor.[i]
Trouble is, as previous usability tests of the full-page source editor in this context have proven (T243251#5933544), Junior Contributors are likely to be confused by this experience. Specifically, Junior Contributor usability test participants:
- Did not sign the new discussions they posted
- Expressed being uncertain about whether they were taking the right steps to start a new discussion
- Had difficulty locating the new discussion they had just published to a talk page
Use cases
We see there being three distinct use cases/categories of talk pages to design for:
| Case | Namespace | Account state | Subject page state | Talk page deletion log entries | Ticket |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | User talk (3) | Logged in | Exists | No talk page deletion/protection/move log entries | T274831 |
| 2. | User talk | Logged out | Exists | No talk page deletion log entries | T287779 |
| 3. | Your *own* talk page | Logged in | Exists | No talk page deletion log entries | T277329 |
| 4. | Your *own* talk page | Logged out | Exists | No talk page deletion log entries | T288556 |
| 5. | All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829) | --- | Exists | No talk page deletion log entries | T274832 |
| 6. | User talk (no account exists) | Logged in | Does not exist | No talk page deletion log entries | T288319 |
| 7. | User talk | Logged out | Does not exist | No talk page deletion log entries | T288319 |
| 8. | All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829) | --- | Does not exist | No talk page deletion log entries | T288319 |
| 9. | User talk (3) | Logged in | Exists | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 10. | User talk | Logged out | Exists | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 11. | Your *own* talk page | Logged in | Exists | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 12. | Your *own* talk page | Logged out | Exists | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 13. | All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829) | --- | Exists | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 14. | User talk (no account exists) | Logged in | Does not exist | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 15. | User talk | Logged out | Does not exist | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
| 16. | All other talk (1, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 101, 119, 711, 829) | --- | Does not exist | At least 1 deletion log entry | T289354 |
Requirements
- Full-page editing: All empty state designs need to include affordances for opening the full-page source editing interface
- The full-page source editing interface (e.g. 2010 wikitext editor or 2017 wikitext editor) people see in this context, should be the same full-page source editing interface they see in other contexts (e.g. editing an article, editing a talk page that's already been created, etc.)
- Availability: only people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled should be impacted by this new empty state experience. Read: people who do not have the New Discussion Tool enabled should see no changes in the experiences they have when clicking on a [red] link to a talk page that does not currently exist.
- Points of entry: the empty state experiences we are designing should impact the following workflows/points of entry for people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled:
- 1. They click on a red linked talk page that is "adjoined" to an article/user/project/etc. page that already exists
- 2. They click on a red linked talk page that is "adjoined" to an article/user/project/etc. page that does NOT yet exist
- E.g. Clicking on a red-linked talk page that appears in the signature of a newcomer who's posted on a community help page, for example.
- 3.
They manually enter and navigate to the URL of the not-yet-created talk page; this URL contains ?action=edit.We will not be addressing this point of entry as part of this initial version. This work will instead happen in T283644. - 4.
They manually enter and navigate to the URL of the not-yet-created talk page; this URL does NOT contain ?action=edit.We will not be addressing this point of entry as part of this initial version. This work will instead happen in T283644.
Open questions
- 1. Does it make most sense to consider the scope of this task as being limited to what happens when people click the New section / Add topic affordance on non-existent talk pages? Meaning: the visual appearance of the empty page itself would be considered separately in T252902.
- We'll consider the experience holistically and then breakout the work needed to realize this experience after having done so. See: T270323#6767558.
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