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Make the affordance(s) for adding a new topic easier to identify and access
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Description

This task is about adjusting and/or adding the affordance(s) that appear on talk pages to make it easier for contributors, across experience levels, to identify where/how to add a new topic to a talk page and access this affordance, regardless of where they are on said page.

User stories

  • As a Senior Contributor or Junior Contributor who is arriving to a talk page knowing that they want to start a new discussion, I want to to be able to quickly and easily locate the affordance for doing so, so that I can proceed with drafting what I have in mind with minimal interruption.
  • As a Senior Contributor viewing the "bottom" of a talk page after having read the existing conversations on it and now realizes I would like to start a new discussion, I want to be able to quickly and easily access the affordance for starting a new discussion, so that I do not need to go "looking" for the affordance just to come back to where I currently am.

Requirements

@ppelberg to finish completing.

Meta

  • The affordance(s) for starting a new conversation should be easy for people to identify and access on desktop and mobile.

Considerations

  • We should be mindful about changing the language and/or appearance of the existing New section / Add topic links for people who have the New Discussion Tool enabled considering the confusion/complexity this could cause. See: T264220#6813101.

Open questions

  • What language should appear on/in the affordance for starting a new discussion?

Approaches

Below is a living list of approaches that have been talked about so far, on-wiki and in T249784:

InterventionLink
Additional links elsewhere on the page"Ajouter un sujet" (bottom of fr.wiki talk pages), + (bottom of some nl.wiki talk pages)
Large blue buttons at the top of the page with custom calls to action"Ask a question" (en.wiki), "New message" (cs.wiki), "Make a new request" (fr.wiki),
"New section" form is preloaded with a template/instructions"Request to administrators" (fr.wiki), "Request for immediate deletion" (fr.wiki), see T250768#6073965 for more examples
Links at the top of the page"Click here to ask a question" (nl.wiki), "Start a new topic" (~550 people are using this on en.wiki)
Instructions within new section form"You are going to request the immediate deletion..." (fr.wiki), "Instructions for discussion" (cs.wiki)
An omnipresent formF32249808
A button with an accompanying subject fieldSee the Požádat on this page at cs.wiki
An Add topic button at the bottom of the pageSee this page at fi.wiki
On Meta, the last section heading on a talk page has [ edit / Add topic ] instead of just [ edit ].https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel

Background

As @AdHuikeshoven, @Akoopal, @Awesome_Aasim, @Julle, @matej_suchanek, and @Vojtech.Vesely [i][ii][iii][iv][v][vi] have noted and previous usability tests have confirmed, the current "Add topic" / "New section" tab can be difficult for Junior Contributors to identify and all contributors to access, especially on longer pages.


i. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwqjpk7gsmy36h71
ii. https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg_Wikipedia:Overleghulpmiddelen&type=revision&diff=57279610&oldid=57277033&diffmode=source
iii. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vx0hv02fcic0rj62&topic_showPostId=vx0hv02fcma2zn4a#flow-post-vx0hv02fcma2zn4a
iv. https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vwpwr84naer42ovi&topic_showPostId=vx7brnglaeb6wm9p#flow-post-vx7brnglaeb6wm9p
v. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Vwszsesi9o4iguw1
vi. https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou#Aktivace_n%C3%A1stroje_%E2%80%9EP%C5%99idat_t%C3%A9ma%E2%80%9C_pro_v%C5%A1echny)

Event Timeline

Adding a link to the user script @Awesome_Aasim has been using as part their workflow for adding new topics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Awesome_Aasim/newsection.js

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Adding a link to the Add topic button present on some (?) pages at fi.wiki. See: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keskustelu:Yamaha_Aerox

Thanks @ppelberg - adding a screenshot :

Screen Shot 2020-12-17 at 9.38.50 AM.png (434×1 px, 126 KB)

On Meta, the last section heading on a talk page has [ edit | Add topic ] instead of just [ edit ].

On Meta, the last section heading on a talk page has [ edit | Add topic ] instead of just [ edit ].

Good call. Thank you for mentioning this, @Pelagic. I've added this to the task description's ===Approaches table.

ppelberg added a subscriber: Vojtech.Vesely.

Added a link to the comment @Vojtech.Vesely made at cs.wiki to the task description.