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Rename zh-yue -> yue
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See discussion on Bug #8217 (T10217)


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Severity: enhancement

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Just a bit of gentle prodding - this has been an issue since zh-yue.wp was created in 2007. We're still waiting for action.

Another year has passed and nothing happened.

28481k wrote:

It's hard. But it has to be considered.

(In reply to comment #2)

Another year has passed and nothing happened.

See bug 19986 for the discussion on why it's so difficult. (Thanks Andre Klapper)

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See bug 19986 for the discussion on why it's so difficult. (Thanks Andre Klapper)

(T21986)

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hashar lowered the priority of this task from Normal to Lowest.Sep 14 2016, 10:12 AM

@hashar I'm afraid your action on this task will make at least @HenryLi angry, because he said this on T21986:
This ticket opened in 2009 and now it is 2016. Why does it take 7 years without anything done? While it is not urgent and not trivial, there is a date it must be done. Please raise its priority and start a project as soon as possible to streamline the renaming process. It affects the consistence of user interface and the alignment to language code standard.

@hashar I'm afraid your action on this task will make at least @HenryLi angry, because he said this on T21986:
This ticket opened in 2009 and now it is 2016. Why does it take 7 years without anything done? While it is not urgent and not trivial, there is a date it must be done. Please raise its priority and start a project as soon as possible to streamline the renaming process. It affects the consistence of user interface and the alignment to language code standard.

Okay I'll jump the queue and be the first to express "anger". Many editors of Cantonese Wikipedia have been watching this thread for 9 years and the habitual neglect of this glaring anomaly has been "adding insult to injury", to quote the other thread too.

deryckchan raised the priority of this task from Lowest to Normal.Sep 14 2016, 4:11 PM
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I'm not sure why comments are copied from T21986 to this task, as T21986 explains the current situation and the underlying issues for any renames, and hence is the place to discuss technical blockers and how to improve progress. Could we concentrate on what's happening and needs to happen technically in T21986 to get things going, instead of discussing values of metadata fields of tickets in an issue tracker? :)

Aklapper lowered the priority of this task from Normal to Lowest.Sep 14 2016, 4:28 PM

Priority is supposed to reflect reality; as frustrating as reality might sometimes be. I expect that technically focussed discussion and progress in T21986 and its related tasks will allow increasing the priority of this task at some point (and still reflecting the reality).

@Liuxinyu970226 @deryckchan sorry I did not want to be rude. What I did on all the tasks asking for Wiki to be renamed was:

ProjectColumn
Wikimedia-Site-requestsWiki renaming
Wikimedia-Language-setupWiki rename requests

And I have set them all to lowest priority, if they had any kind of priority they would probably have been done by now.

The Cantonese wiki is not a special case here. Once the technical part is solved, all wikis will be able to be moved and T21986 is the proper place for discussion.

(as a side note https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Rename_a_wiki_database created in 2011 originated from a discussion I had with the author).

Sorry :-(

Krinkle changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Apr 30 2017, 3:55 AM
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Stalled since renaming (T21986) is blocked on T145535 (e.g. T112426.).

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FYI another new editor has brought up the issue of renaming zh-yue again. The discussion again resulted in a consensus to push for the ISO-639-3 code "yue" to be made canonical. (Permalink to discussion)

cscott added a subscriber: cscott.Dec 8 2017, 9:02 PM

Pinging this topic again, since identification of language variants in RESTBase/Parsoid requires distinguishing zh-yue (interpreted as using language converter to convert zh content to yue) and yue (native yue content, no use of language converter). See discussion at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122942#3031430

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