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When deleting StructuredDiscussion content, deleted content is misattributed to the sysop that deleted it
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Nov 6 2015, 7:37 PM
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This was implemented in T90973: T9. When deleting board or topic, contributions should move from Contributions to DeletedContributions but seems to have broken since then.
E.g. I Deleted these 3 topics (one, two, three), but nothing at all is showing up in the user's Contributions or their DeletedContributions.

Amended description from 2018-12-14 (UTC): When an administrator deletes Flow content, said contributions are attributed to the deleting sysop and logged in the sysop's personal DeletedContributions log. This is unlogical, causes copyright issues on edits being misatributed and most importantly, T118024#2314965 (real example: I've just deleted threats towards an editor and now those edits appear on my personal deleted contributions log, which as you can imagine, makes no sense and is unnaceptable).

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Restricted Application added subscribers: StudiesWorld, Aklapper. · View Herald TranscriptNov 6 2015, 7:37 PM
• Mattflaschen-WMF renamed this task from When deleting Flow topic or post, contributions should move from Contributions to DeletedContributions to When deleting Flow topic or post, contributions should appear in DeletedContributions.Nov 6 2015, 10:51 PM
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Maybe a regression from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/248314/2 .

• Mattflaschen-WMF triaged this task as High priority.Nov 20 2015, 1:57 AM
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Catrope moved this task from Untriaged to Ready for pickup on the Collaboration-Team-Archive-2015-2016 board.Dec 19 2015, 1:35 AM
Krenair added a comment.Feb 21 2016, 4:24 AM

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sys0u3jf6dq8ckcr vs. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Jadenvideotube

• jmatazzoni moved this task from Ready for pickup to RFP (Flow) on the Collaboration-Team-Archive-2015-2016 board.Apr 6 2016, 10:32 PM
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Trizek subscribed.May 21 2016, 1:28 PM

I've just deleted a Flow Topic and blocked a user for harassment with my volunteer account. Now, I can be accused of harassment by an other sysop because there is no proof of my actions: Special:DeletedContributions is blank for the blocked user.

(Fortunately, people trust me. At least, I hope. :))

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Jdforrester-WMF mentioned this in T167928: Improve structured discussion features for the communities that use them, based on user feedback and prioritising technical debt.Jun 14 2017, 9:31 PM
MarcoAurelio subscribed.Aug 6 2017, 1:17 PM

Yes, this is problematic and makes searching deleted Flow things complicated and hard. It'd be good to have this fixed indeed. Thanks.

Quiddity merged a task: T176313: Deleted Flow contributions don't show up on Special:DeletedContributions.Sep 22 2017, 6:51 PM
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Wargo added a comment.Sep 22 2017, 6:59 PM

And are visible in deleted contributions of deletor. Is this intentional?

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MarcoAurelio renamed this task from When deleting Flow topic or post, contributions should appear in DeletedContributions to When deleting StructuredDiscussion content, attribute the deleted content to its author nor the sysop that deleted it.Dec 14 2018, 11:47 AM
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MarcoAurelio raised the priority of this task from High to Unbreak Now!.Dec 14 2018, 11:48 AM

Per my amended description above. This needs to be addressed now. I am fed up of having vandalic edits (some of them plain libel, death threats, etc.) misattributed to me because of this.

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• Para32556677 lowered the priority of this task from Unbreak Now! to Lowest.Dec 23 2018, 4:59 PM
Paladox raised the priority of this task from Lowest to Unbreak Now!.Dec 23 2018, 5:04 PM
greg lowered the priority of this task from Unbreak Now! to High.Jan 3 2019, 8:04 PM
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In T118024#4823328, @MarcoAurelio wrote:

Per my amended description above. This needs to be addressed now. I am fed up of having vandalic edits (some of them plain libel, death threats, etc.) misattributed to me because of this.

Unfortunately that's not a good reason for using UBN!, I'm setting this to High instead. I agree that it still needs to be fixed as soon as it can be.

kostajh moved this task from Inbox to Needs Discussion on the Growth-Team board.Jan 3 2019, 8:05 PM
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In T118024#4853254, @greg wrote:
In T118024#4823328, @MarcoAurelio wrote:

Per my amended description above. This needs to be addressed now. I am fed up of having vandalic edits (some of them plain libel, death threats, etc.) misattributed to me because of this.

Unfortunately that's not a good reason for using UBN!, I'm setting this to High instead. I agree that it still needs to be fixed as soon as it can be.

Definitely. And it's been at high priority since 2015 ... who and when will fix this?

Catrope moved this task from Needs Discussion to Q2 2019-20 on the Growth-Team board.Jan 11 2019, 11:43 PM
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We're planning to address this in the coming few months, possibly later this month.

Catrope renamed this task from When deleting StructuredDiscussion content, attribute the deleted content to its author nor the sysop that deleted it to When deleting StructuredDiscussion content, deleted content is misattributed to the sysop that deleted it.Jan 11 2019, 11:43 PM
Etonkovidova subscribed.Jan 24 2019, 2:44 AM

Notes for testing after the fix:

  • Deleting a Flow topic will be attributed to the person who deleted the topic
  • Deleting a Flow post - Special:DeletedContributions will display it twice - for a user who deleted it and for a post author
  • Rollback/undo will not be on Special:DeletedContributions
  • MassDelete are on Special:DeletedContributions
greg unsubscribed.Jan 24 2019, 9:10 AM
JTannerWMF moved this task from Q2 2019-20 to Q1 2019-20 on the Growth-Team board.Mar 6 2019, 7:14 PM
revi mentioned this in T222504: StructuredDiscussions-related contributions in Special:DeletedContributions.May 4 2019, 8:52 AM
Shirayuki subscribed.May 4 2019, 8:53 AM
Shirayuki merged a task: T222504: StructuredDiscussions-related contributions in Special:DeletedContributions.May 6 2019, 8:54 AM
Shirayuki added a subscriber: revi.
Mainframe98 merged a task: T223020: Deleted Flow discussions should be visible for admins on Special:DeletedContributions in fr-wiki.May 13 2019, 10:41 AM
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revi awarded a token.May 14 2019, 7:11 AM
Gratus mentioned this in T235687: Edits of deleted topic not shown in special:deletedcontribs/user neither in topic history.Oct 18 2019, 12:05 AM
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MMiller_WMF moved this task from Q1 2019-20 to Upcoming Work on the Growth-Team board.Feb 12 2020, 9:13 PM
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I am moving this to the Growth Team's "Upcoming Work" column so that it can be among the next bugs we address that are outside our normal feature development stream.

Etonkovidova added a comment.Feb 13 2020, 11:26 PM

What found when re-testing the current behavior
(1) Records of deleted Flow board content (deleted posts and topics) will be displayed on Special:DeletedContributions (and not in Special:Contributions) under the name of an admin who deleted the content:

e.g. ET13 deleted a Flow board topic and a page - Special:DeletedContributions will display the following, stating that ET13 deleted a topic and a post:

Screen Shot 2020-02-13 at 3.18.17 PM.png (490×1 px, 144 KB)

So the answer is 'yes, at least, it's a current behavior' to

In T118024#3628050, @Wargo wrote:

And are visible in deleted contributions of deletor. Is this intentional?

(2) Revisions that were un-done/reverted will be shown on Special:Contributions but not on Special:DeletedContributions.

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Base added a comment.Jun 15 2020, 7:44 AM

@MMiller_WMF , @Etonkovidova is there any progress with this task?

Base mentioned this in T126186: Flow formats timestamps in my local timezone (possibly identified from my browser) instead of the timezone in my wiki preferences.Oct 2 2020, 11:13 AM
MBinder_WMF added a project: Growth-Team-Filtering.Apr 15 2021, 7:00 PM
Urbanecm mentioned this in T282390: Dienstleisterberlinde's contributions on mediawikiwiki disappeared.May 9 2021, 7:21 PM
Urbanecm merged a task: T235687: Edits of deleted topic not shown in special:deletedcontribs/user neither in topic history.
Urbanecm merged a task: T282390: Dienstleisterberlinde's contributions on mediawikiwiki disappeared.
Urbanecm added subscribers: Urbanecm, Legoktm.
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DannyS712 moved this task from Upcoming Work to Inbox on the Growth-Team board.Oct 24 2023, 2:44 AM

Just encountered this again and spent a while trying to figure out why there were no contributions to be found by a user -

In T118024#5878356, @MMiller_WMF wrote:

I am moving this to the Growth Team's "Upcoming Work" column so that it can be among the next bugs we address that are outside our normal feature development stream.

This has been in "Upcoming Work" since 2020 and that column now appears to be hidden from the workboard. Moving back to inbox for this to be visible to (and please please addressed by) the growth team (personally I would prefer T332022 but I might be in the minority)

Pppery subscribed.Oct 31 2023, 7:09 PM

It won't be seen by the Growth Team because it has Growth-Team-Filtering and projects with that tag are hidden from the workboard by default.

KStoller-WMF moved this task from Inbox to Needs Discussion on the Growth-Team board.Nov 1 2023, 9:27 PM
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Sorry to hear that this is still an issue and that it's been neglected for so long!

In T118024#9274893, @DannyS712 wrote:
(personally I would prefer T332022 but I might be in the minority)

Personally, I agree. WMF is currently attempting to support three different discussion features, and I don't think it makes sense to maintain all three indefinitely.

Based on usage, I'm not sure it makes sense to invest engineering time into Flow, given that the long term plan is T332022: [Epic] Undeploying StructuredDiscussions (Flow).

In August 2023, on average:

  • DiscussionTools is used about 18,780 times per day.
  • Flow is used about 250 times per day.
  • LiquidThreads is used less than once per day.

Although there isn't yet a timeline for sunsetting / undeploying Flow, the Growth team currently has this communication task in progress: T346108: [EPIC] IP Masking: StructuredDiscussions (Flow)/LiquidThreads Community discussion.

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