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RHo added a comment to T242618: Design review for help contents sample pages.

hi @Trizek-WMF - here's some review notes for the sample pages, hope it helps!

Mon, Jan 27, 2:55 AM · NewcomerTasks 1.2

Fri, Jan 24

RHo moved T238317: Newcomer tasks: medium difficulty label goes out of background in Czech from Design Review to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

The move of the difficulty label to thje separate line is expected and this looks right except for the info icon size which @Etonkovidova captured on T233307, and also if we can add 8px between the task description and the difficulty label when this occurs:

Fri, Jan 24, 12:00 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0
RHo renamed T243307: Newcomer task: Article card - adjust the info icon size and position on mobile from Newcomer task: Article card - adjust the info icon position to Newcomer task: Article card - adjust the info icon size and position on mobile.
Fri, Jan 24, 11:53 AM · GrowthExperiments, Growth Design, Growth-Team
RHo added a comment to T243307: Newcomer task: Article card - adjust the info icon size and position on mobile.

@Etonkovidova -- could you please add what you think should be changed?

It seems that the placement of info icon at the end of the label has been done already along with the patch -
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/565717 - that fixed the placement of difficulty label on one line. So, this phab ticket can be closed, I suppose.

Fri, Jan 24, 11:39 AM · GrowthExperiments, Growth Design, Growth-Team

Thu, Jan 23

RHo added a comment to T224883: Homepage: discovery of homepage after account creation (mobile).

With AMC enabled, the user menu is just before the close icon. @RHo any recommendations? Should we move the close icon to the left-hand site? The arrow does not have to be clickable so in theory we could just overlay the X icon on it, but it looks terrible.

Thu, Jan 23, 9:02 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.18; 2020-02-04), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design, GrowthExperiments-HomepageDiscovery, Mobile, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T243365: Newcomer tasks: text in overlay should stay in its column.
Thu, Jan 23, 8:49 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.1, Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T242889: Newcomer tasks: upgrades to article counter.

FWIW, the number of tasks we fetch from the API (which has performance implications), the number of cards we allow the user to page through, and the number we cap the result counter at, don't necessarily have to be the same. Detaching the first would take some engineering effort (making API continuation work), detaching the last would be trivial; so if we want to keep having 200 cards but show result counts up to, say, 1000, that would be easy to do.

Thu, Jan 23, 8:45 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1
RHo created T243535: Newcomer tasks: Improve the hover and click interaction on the task explanation widget (desktop only).
Thu, Jan 23, 6:25 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team

Wed, Jan 22

RHo added a comment to T236842: Newcomer tasks: Animate the "live broadcast" icon in the Suggested edits results overlay .

Is the goal here to animate the icon while the search is running in the background, or to animate it for a short time once the results have been updated, to draw attention to the new number? In the former case, should we also replace the old number with something indicating that we don't have the number yet?

Wed, Jan 22, 3:20 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Tue, Jan 7

RHo added a comment to T238172: Newcomer tasks: do not refresh suggestions if user cancels difficulty filter.

@RHo so if I understand correctly this is the expected behavior?

  1. User saves dialog with Copyedit + Add links (this is stored in user settings, updates the task cards on the homepage etc)
  2. User reopens dialog and unchecks Add links
  3. User cancels dialog
  4. User opens dialog again

-> user should see Copyedit + Add links (matching the state of the task cards) and not Copyedit (which would match the state of the filter when cancelled)

Tue, Jan 7, 5:18 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Patch-For-Review, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Sat, Jan 4

RHo added a comment to T238172: Newcomer tasks: do not refresh suggestions if user cancels difficulty filter.

Based on the example scenario I agree it is not useful and I also do not think it is at all expected that the task type dialog remembers copyedit when it was not "saved" by the user. The first case @Tgr mentions (20=number of Copyedit + Add links tasks in Art) matches my expectations, whereas I would never have expected unsaved dialog changes to be remembered as is outlined in the second case.

Sat, Jan 4, 12:27 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Patch-For-Review, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 23 2019

RHo added a comment to T238172: Newcomer tasks: do not refresh suggestions if user cancels difficulty filter.

Apologies but I am having a little trouble understanding what the conflicts might be that have been pointed out. Would you be able review the selected behaviour as I see it outlined in the following scenario, and highlight what is not feasible and/or problematic?

Dec 23 2019, 1:56 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Patch-For-Review, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 20 2019

RHo updated the task description for T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance .
Dec 20 2019, 9:40 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design
RHo moved T236854: [mobile] Newcomer tasks - UI issues with Suggested edits module and Difficulty overlay from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

Thanks @Etonkovidova –this better on the real device.

Dec 20 2019, 7:41 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues.

Hi @Etonkovidova - fyi there seems to be some regression on some items previously fixed in this task as of today (picked up while reviewing T236854), not sure if it is just me or temporary:

Dec 20 2019, 7:31 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238610: Newcomer tasks: include topics in intro overlay.

hi there - I think the mock-ups were based on the v1.0 'final mocks' which have since had minor text changes. I've just updated to match what's in the copy doc and happy to go with option B as well.

Dec 20 2019, 12:35 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1

Dec 19 2019

RHo updated the task description for T239182: Newcomer tasks: design guidance.
Dec 19 2019, 5:00 PM · Growth Design, Design, NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo updated the name of F31482802: Guidance user journey graphic.png from "image.png" to "Guidance user journey graphic.png".
Dec 19 2019, 4:19 PM
RHo added a subtask for T239182: Newcomer tasks: design guidance: T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance .
Dec 19 2019, 3:00 PM · Growth Design, Design, NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a parent task for T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance : T239182: Newcomer tasks: design guidance.
Dec 19 2019, 3:00 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design
RHo added a comment to T238165: Newcomer tasks: task explanation widget should not have "x".

For Design Review
(1) The general look - the gap is bigger comparing to page previews popups, but the explanation widget is visually sufficiently tied to the info icon (in my opinion).

  • opening down
  • opening up

– I agree this is OK

Dec 19 2019, 12:40 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 16 2019

RHo added a comment to T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues.

@RHo for the issues noted in T238280#5740052 can you please clarify if you want all of these modifications for both desktop and mobile, or just mobile?

Dec 16 2019, 10:30 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 13 2019

RHo moved T238460: Newcomer tasks: difficulty filter styling issues on mobile from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

Thanks for checking @Etonkovidova - yes the close X instead of back arrow is fine, and this looks good for PM sign-off.

Dec 13 2019, 7:02 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues from Design Review to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

Testing today in cs.betalabs:

Example 1 (easy tasks)
Example 2 (Mixed task levels)
Dec 13 2019, 6:41 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T238612: Newcomer tasks: topic filters.
Dec 13 2019, 6:24 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1

Dec 12 2019

RHo moved T238282: Newcomer tasks: desktop module styling issues from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

LGTM - Thanks!

Dec 12 2019, 9:12 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238231: Newcomer tasks: show skeleton screen while loading.

@RHo @MMiller_WMF this design works for displaying while the user clicks previous/next (side note: it seems instantaneous to me in production, and even when clicking quickly it doesn't seem bothersome. Is the time between next/previous a problem that we need to solve?)

I thought this was the priority based on the subsequent comment T238231#5691846....

But as noted in T238231#5666995 the biggest lag is when the page loads, but before the JavaScript has finished loading. For that, I think we need to take a different approach to what the design proposes.

> The other modules have server-side rendered content so they appear well before the Suggested Edits module which is all client-side. On initial page load, we can't use the design here because it assumes we know the initial task title and its task type. It also requires us to render the task filters, previous next buttons, and task explanation on the server-side.

If we modified the design such that the placeholder has no title nor task type it's a little simpler because we just render a totally generic placeholder on the server-side. But we would still then need to render the filters + arrows + explanation widget on the server-side. If we updated the design to remove those from the initial page load placeholder, then that simplifies things more.

We can also do this for the initial load if we can get the skeleton to look like the following:


Skeleton with no server-side rendered elements (except background color)
CSS animated version: https://codepen.io/reets/pen/bGNeMdL

Dec 12 2019, 7:36 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.0 , MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T238322: Newcomer tasks: pageview info doesn't fit article card from Design Review to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

There are also a few other display issues which is covered under point M. in T238280

Dec 12 2019, 1:25 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T238322: Newcomer tasks: pageview info doesn't fit article card.

hi @kostajh - can we show the whole string of text on hover? Maybe like so:

Dec 12 2019, 1:24 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo updated the task description for T238317: Newcomer tasks: medium difficulty label goes out of background in Czech.
Dec 12 2019, 1:14 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0
RHo updated the task description for T238317: Newcomer tasks: medium difficulty label goes out of background in Czech.
Dec 12 2019, 1:14 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0

Dec 10 2019

RHo moved T236854: [mobile] Newcomer tasks - UI issues with Suggested edits module and Difficulty overlay from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

(3) Mobile suggested edits card
ii. Info "i" icon size and tap target should be larger on mobile
– I think this is due to the old smaller info icon still being in use on OOUI where there is padding around the 20x20px icon but this scaling makes it look not good. Can we instead use the following icon asset for mobile? Tap target is good now.

Dec 10 2019, 7:44 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo moved T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

Great, LGTM.

Dec 10 2019, 7:33 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238282: Newcomer tasks: desktop module styling issues.

@RHo is T238282#5673324 the only thing left to do here?

Dec 10 2019, 4:09 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 9 2019

RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.


^ That's what it looks like with a white background. I can push a patch for it, but is it a problem that this component is then inconsistent in appearance from the other Drawer component implementations?

Dec 9 2019, 9:22 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.

Thanks @Etonkovidova - yes, you're right, the dimming expected is a white overlay @ 50% opacity, but this is using rgba(0,0,0,.8) @ opacity:50%.

Dec 9 2019, 6:55 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T238460: Newcomer tasks: difficulty filter styling issues on mobile from Design Review to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

hi @Tgr - a few minor points and this should be good, thanks!

Dec 9 2019, 6:49 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 6 2019

RHo updated subscribers of T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance .

hi @MMiller_WMF - can you please take a look at the initial plan and provide input about the type of task that we likely want to go with for testing so that the relevant draft help content can be written. Thanks!

Dec 6 2019, 12:03 AM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design
RHo moved T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance from 📗Backlog (Current sprint) to 🔥To Do on the Growth Design board.
Dec 6 2019, 12:01 AM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design
RHo moved T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance from Incoming to Needs Design/Design Doing on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Dec 6 2019, 12:01 AM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design
RHo created T239963: Newcomer tasks: Conduct user testing for task guidance .
Dec 6 2019, 12:00 AM · NewcomerTasks 1.2, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Growth Design

Dec 5 2019

RHo removed a project from T235043: Newcomer tasks: "No more suggestions" card widget: Growth Design.
Dec 5 2019, 10:07 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.8; 2019-11-26), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo removed a project from T235044: Newcomer tasks: "No results" card widget: Growth Design.
Dec 5 2019, 10:06 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 4 2019

RHo removed a project from T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile: Growth Design.
Dec 4 2019, 3:33 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo moved T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile from Needs Design/Design Doing to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Dec 4 2019, 3:33 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo moved T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues from Ready for Development to In Progress on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Dec 4 2019, 3:32 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues from In Progress to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Dec 4 2019, 3:32 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo placed T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile up for grabs.
Dec 4 2019, 3:23 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments

Dec 3 2019

RHo updated the task description for T239698: Explore loading and success animation.
Dec 3 2019, 6:42 PM · Design, Wikipedia-Android-App-Backlog (Android-app-release-v2.7.30x-O-Ontbijtkoek)
RHo added a comment to T230068: Newcomer tasks: instrumentation.

I agree that the answers should probably be yes, but would want us to be able to show source as via the homepage/SE module vs organically.

For the purposes of guiding, yes we could definitely distinguish between the two. But I'm wondering specifically if you'd want the "newcomer tasks" edit tag to appear, or if there would be a second tag (like "organic 🍎 newcomer tasks") for when the user happened upon a an article by chance, and followed the guidance to successfully do the newcomer task, but did not start their journey from Special:Homepage.

Dec 3 2019, 6:10 PM · Epic, Product-Analytics (Kanban), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Dec 2 2019

RHo placed T142426: Create wordmarks for all Wikipedia languages up for grabs.

@RHo: Hmm, all items in the table in the task description have a checkbox. As this task is assigned to you, are you still working (or still plan to work) on this task? If you do not plan to work on this task anymore, please remove yourself as assignee (via Add Action...Assign / Claim in the dropdown menu) so in theory, others could work on it. Thanks!

Dec 2 2019, 2:33 PM · Android-app-feature-Multilingual, Design (RW-Design-Debt), Readers-Web-Backlog (Tracking), Wikipedia-iOS-App-Backlog (Design), Wikipedia-Android-App-Backlog

Nov 29 2019

RHo removed a project from T238231: Newcomer tasks: show skeleton screen while loading: Growth Design.
Nov 29 2019, 8:57 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.0 , MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T238231: Newcomer tasks: show skeleton screen while loading.
Nov 29 2019, 8:56 PM · NewcomerTasks 1.0 , MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Nov 28 2019

RHo removed a project from T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop: Growth Design.
Nov 28 2019, 7:25 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop from Needs Design/Design Doing to Ready for Development on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Nov 28 2019, 7:24 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo merged T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile into T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile.
Nov 28 2019, 7:24 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo merged task T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile into T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile.
Nov 28 2019, 7:24 PM · Mobile, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth Design
RHo moved T232513: Newcomer tasks: homepage changes based on initiation (mobile) from Design Review to Needs PM Review on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

This is working as expected for me as well. The style updates will be tackled in the mobile style ticket (T239442).

Initial
Activated
Nov 28 2019, 7:21 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.8; 2019-11-26), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile from Incoming to Needs Design/Design Doing on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Nov 28 2019, 7:21 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo moved T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile from 📗Backlog (Current sprint) to 💪In Progress on the Growth Design board.
Nov 28 2019, 7:20 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo claimed T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile.
Nov 28 2019, 7:20 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments
RHo created T239442: Homepage: restyling of modules and preview cards on Mobile.
Nov 28 2019, 7:20 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments

Nov 27 2019

RHo added a comment to T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues.

M. Pageviews icon and text should…

be vertically center aligned to each other (since text should only be kept to 1 line)

I think we are discussing this in another issue, but do you also want to hide the overflow in cases when the text extends beyond one line, maybe adding ellipses in this case?

Nov 27 2019, 8:00 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues.

C. Image should be…

scaled to be full-width of card (See bottom of description for example of when this does not happen)
height is 128px (ratio 1:2 with image width)
is there any rules or algorithm used by Page Previews to center image previews on a person's face? Instead of cutting off faces?

There's not a great option here. Portrait orientation image thumbnails from restbase may or may not be under the minimum width (260px) we use for the card. We can stretch a 200px with image so that it's 260px but it will look pixelated and not great, in addition to already not looking that good because it's a portrait image being forced into a landscape orientation holder.
Another option would be to not show images at all if they're in portrait orientation, and just stick with the placeholder image.

Nov 27 2019, 8:00 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238280: Newcomer tasks: mobile module styling issues.

D. Placeholder image should not have dark borders on the edges

Hmm, this is odd. Do you see this consistently? I don't see it on iOS nor via Chrome/Firefox on desktop using mobile view.

Nov 27 2019, 7:06 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.14; 2020-01-07), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T236820: Prototype gifs for newcomer guidance.
Nov 27 2019, 4:32 PM · Growth Design, User-Dyolf77, Growth-Team
RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.

Thanks for the changes @kostajh - It's ok for the link to not have the underline, but the title should be a bit larger and the same size as the article title in the card (16px) on mobile – but it's a little hard to tell if because that is still requiring some UI tweaks noted on T238280.

From what I can tell, the task type label with is already 16px, while the article title is 19.2px. Do you want the "Find references" to also be 19.2px?

Nov 27 2019, 4:12 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.

@RHo how does this look?


As discussed the down arrow is used in place of the X. The heading seems to be slightly different from the mock, and the link doesn't have an underline as in the mock. Do you want any adjustments to those?

Nov 27 2019, 12:34 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T230068: Newcomer tasks: instrumentation.

A related scenario is that a user lands organically on an article that has maintenance templates that would include it in the suggested edits module, but that user didn't navigate to the article via suggested – they never saw it there. Would the guidance still show in this case? And if so, would an edit made on this also be tagged as a "suggested edit"? I think the answer is "yes" to both but just wanted to double check.

This is one of the open questions in the v1.2 planning doc – I agree that the answers should probably be yes, but would want us to be able to show source as via the homepage/SE module vs organically. Another consideration is this would affect the design and copy a little – we could either provide more context and explanation if it is detected that a user got to the article not from Suggested edits, or make the task guidance like this for everyone (re-explaining a lot more about what they are seeing).

Nov 27 2019, 12:21 PM · Epic, Product-Analytics (Kanban), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T230068: Newcomer tasks: instrumentation.

I think this is partly a design issue, which @RHo should chime in on, and partly a measurement issue. With regards to the design part, I'm trying to think ahead to how things might work with guidance. If the user is recommended the Egg tart article, clicks through to it, goes somewhere else, and then later returns to it, should they again see the guidance (meaning we treat them as if they came through from the Homepage)? I think the answer to that affects how we connect the Homepage schema to the Help Panel and EditAttemptStep schemas in that situation.

Nov 27 2019, 11:39 AM · Epic, Product-Analytics (Kanban), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Nov 26 2019

RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.

@RHo the Drawer component uses a down arrow rather than an X, is that OK to use?

Nov 26 2019, 3:14 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238171: Newcomer tasks: slow loading time for suggested edit module.

Hi @Tgr - the last approach you mention about showing the mod whole loading is the approach I am referring to on T238231

Nov 26 2019, 7:27 AM · Growth-Team, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Nov 25 2019

RHo added a comment to T238165: Newcomer tasks: task explanation widget should not have "x".
  • Not quite. It should only open a drawer when clicked on mobile per T238164

The drawer is specific to the mobile interface (MinervaNeue) though. People can also use the desktop interface on mobile. Or they might be using a desktop computer but not using a mouse for some accessibility reason and "click" via focusing on the icon via tab navigation and pressing enter, in which case there is no hover action.

Nov 25 2019, 11:48 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238165: Newcomer tasks: task explanation widget should not have "x".

Regarding the hover @kostajh, would it be an easy change to add additional focus area around the icon so that there is no gap with between the icon and the popup card?

So I assume the preferred behavior would be something like this:

  • the popup opens when howering over the (i) icon
  • Yes
Nov 25 2019, 11:13 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop.
Nov 25 2019, 7:09 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop.

This format is great @RHo , but there are two copies of everything, one with good formatting and one with bad formatting. It looks like you pasted the entire thing (1-6) in the middle of itself between 3 and 4.

Nov 25 2019, 7:02 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238610: Newcomer tasks: include topics in intro overlay.

The user may select as many or as few as they want.

Shouldn't we suggest (by a simple sentence) a gap to guarantee good results? Like minimum 3 for diversity and maximum 10 to avoid unrelated to each other results?

Nov 25 2019, 4:36 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1

Nov 22 2019

RHo added a comment to T223219: Homepage: unactivated state of the impact module needs more affordance.

@MMiller_WMF - should we close this task in favour of T223221, since its purpose as "a short term solution before the newcomer tasks module and other newcomer module improvements are introduced" is no longer valid?

Nov 22 2019, 10:59 PM · GrowthExperiments-ImpactModule , Desktop, Mobile, Growth Design, GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo moved T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile from Incoming to Needs Design/Design Doing on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.
Nov 22 2019, 10:54 PM · Mobile, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth Design
RHo moved T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile from 📗Backlog (Current sprint) to 💪In Progress on the Growth Design board.
Nov 22 2019, 10:54 PM · Mobile, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth Design
RHo claimed T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile.
Nov 22 2019, 10:54 PM · Mobile, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth Design
RHo created T238963: Homepage: restyling of modules on Mobile.
Nov 22 2019, 10:54 PM · Mobile, Growth-Team (Current Sprint), GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth Design
RHo updated the task description for T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop.
Nov 22 2019, 10:49 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo renamed T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop from Homepage: restyling of modules to Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop.
Nov 22 2019, 10:29 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo moved T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop from Incoming to Needs Design/Design Doing on the Growth-Team (Current Sprint) board.

hi @MMiller_WMF - I've specified the bulk of the pure css style changes for Desktop here, ready for prioritization.

Nov 22 2019, 10:23 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo edited projects for T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop, added: Growth-Team (Current Sprint); removed Growth-Team.
Nov 22 2019, 10:21 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo placed T232546: Homepage: restyling of modules on Desktop up for grabs.
Nov 22 2019, 10:20 PM · Growth-Team (Current Sprint), Desktop, GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238165: Newcomer tasks: task explanation widget should not have "x".

The other thing that's a bit tricky about using hover-out to close is that the gap between the icon and the popup means we need to include the space between the icon and the popup as area in the hover-in/hover-out behavior. Otherwise the mouse pointer can't make the leap from the "i" icon to the popup before the popup closes. But I'm sure we could figure out a workable solution for that.


@RHo taking into account the discussion above do you want to leave the X in place or remove it?

Nov 22 2019, 11:11 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage

Nov 21 2019

RHo added a comment to T238322: Newcomer tasks: pageview info doesn't fit article card.

@RHo -- the reason we made it "past 60 days" is because that's the same time period the Impact module uses. (a) do you think the two modules should use the same time period?, and (b) what do you think is the right time period (keeping in mind that our smaller wikis may end up with sadly small numbers for short timeframes)?

Nov 21 2019, 11:59 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T236854: [mobile] Newcomer tasks - UI issues with Suggested edits module and Difficulty overlay.

– Actually this is still slightly larger than expected, since 14*1.2 = 16.8px... can we change the base font-size to 13.333px? Or might that lead to a lot of unexpected padding or font-size discreprancies in other places (or a bad idea for another reason)?

Approximately everything that you asked to be 16px (including on desktop) is actually 16.8px for this reason. We can make things 16/14em (=1.142857...em) instead of 1.2em if you want, or just hard-code them to 16px (I'm not sure where we're at with the whole em->px partial migration). But you guessed correctly that changing the base font-size to 13.333px will make a big mess.

Ah cool. Let's make it 1.14285714em instead since that seems the most straightforward (?) update at this point.

Nov 21 2019, 9:35 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T238322: Newcomer tasks: pageview info doesn't fit article card.

@RHo -- can you think of any design treatment that just teaches the user what this number means once so that we can save the space for all the rest of the times the user sees it?

– Basically no, I cannot think of an elegant way to do this. One way might be to show this long explanation as a tooltip that the user must dismiss after reading to continue. However this would draw unnecessary over the top attention to this small piece of info, and you really can't guarantee people are reading it before dismissing, that they won't forget about it when seeing the text again maybe a week later.

Nov 21 2019, 5:49 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo added a comment to T238279: Newcomer tasks: arrows are different distances from card.

It's the same in the desktop version now...

Nov 21 2019, 5:37 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.16; 2020-01-21), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo updated the task description for T238598: Newcomer tasks: Article cards should be responsive.
Nov 21 2019, 5:37 PM · NewcomerTasks Future Release , GrowthExperiments-Homepage, Growth-Team
RHo added a comment to T236854: [mobile] Newcomer tasks - UI issues with Suggested edits module and Difficulty overlay.

– There is a ~1px space between the bottom of the mobile dialog button and the header section

Somewhat surprisingly, reducing the base font size in the dialog from 16px to 14px fixes this. That's because this is a pixels vs ems rounding error in OOUI, and the rounding works in our favor with a 14px base but not with a 16px base.

– Great, I can see it fixed on beta.

(6) Many text styles are now larger than expected on mobile:
i) Intro overlay and difficulty overlay headers should be 16px, now they appear to be ~19.2px (1.2em)

This is fixed by reducing the base font size in the dialog.

– Actually this is still slightly larger than expected, since 14*1.2 = 16.8px... can we change the base font-size to 13.333px? Or might that lead to a lot of unexpected padding or font-size discreprancies in other places (or a bad idea for another reason)?

Nov 21 2019, 1:26 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)

Nov 20 2019

RHo added a comment to T238610: Newcomer tasks: include topics in intro overlay.

@RHo -- could you please specify how the graphics should be different than in the intro overlay from V1.0?
And link us to the OOUI element for the checkmark in the pill button?

Nov 20 2019, 8:42 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1
RHo updated the task description for T238610: Newcomer tasks: include topics in intro overlay.
Nov 20 2019, 8:42 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1
RHo updated the task description for T238610: Newcomer tasks: include topics in intro overlay.
Nov 20 2019, 8:34 PM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.15; 2020-01-14), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.1
RHo added a comment to T238322: Newcomer tasks: pageview info doesn't fit article card.

Also, we use raw numbers here, right? That could be up to 9 characters (million + two separators) for very popular pages.

Nov 20 2019, 11:43 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.11; 2019-12-17), User-PPham, NewcomerTasks 1.0 , Growth-Team (Current Sprint)
RHo updated the task description for T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.
Nov 20 2019, 11:41 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage
RHo added a comment to T238164: Newcomer tasks: Use Drawer component for mobile UI.

hi @Tgr - yes I have updated the mocks so the nav bar is now also dimmed and we can use the standard drawer component. Thanks!

Nov 20 2019, 11:41 AM · MW-1.35-notes (1.35.0-wmf.10; 2019-12-10), Growth-Team (Current Sprint), NewcomerTasks 1.0 , GrowthExperiments-Homepage