Support language variant conversion in Parsoid
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This is the top-level tracker bug for LanguageConverter support in Parsoid.

Plan of record, roughly:

  • Phase 1: Parse all LC constructs into DOM (and round-trip them).

    This is sufficient to allow VE to edit LC wikis in same fashion as wikitext editor, w/ mix of variants displayed during editing.
  • Phase 2: Actually run conversion on the DOM, using the parsed constructs.

    This is sufficient for "read-view" use of Parsoid output, for example in mobile frontend, for google indexing, etc.
  • Phase 3 (speculative): Use selective serialization to allow VE to operate on the converted text.

    This allows "single variant" editing, without the chaotic mix of variants shown in wikitext editing, and uses selective serialization to preserve the original variant of unedited text.
  • Phase 4 (speculative): Introduce new LC syntax or Glossary features which are a better match for future plans.

    This would avoid the "from this point forward" behavior of LC rules, which complicates incremental update, as well as avoiding the use of templates as a workaround for per-page glossaries. We might also introduce more pervasive language tagging in the source, to better match LC uses where character set can't be used to distinguish variant (toy example: pig latin -vs- english).



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ssastry moved this task from Backlog to Needs Discussion on the Parsoid board.Dec 9 2014, 5:23 PM
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Change 50136 abandoned by Jforrester:
(bug 41716) Tokenize language variant conversions

Wrong repo now.

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We discussed this a little in Archcom meeting; here's some quick notes:

  • add a 'phase 0' to define a 'sane subset' of the existing markup behavior that we recommend supporting
  • figure out how to do the 'phase 1' in parsoid-land <- this gets us to a place where we might be able to use VE on non-Chinese wikis using LC
    • then figure out how to get VE to make the definition blocks display/edit sanely (phase 2) <- should be enough to get Chinese editable but with the mixed scripts
  • later, figure out how (or if) to do full VE-side application of conversion for display during editing without changing the underlying data that gets saved back (phase 3) -- this is potentially *very* hard.

The phase 0 syntax limitation would essentially mark some things as 'undefined behavior' for a spec -- such as using the vocab definitions to change markup or html elements -- and would make the display simpler and the editing MUCH simpler.

LanguageConverter markup is back on my plate over in Parsoid land. I'll be dusting off the existing Parsoid patches as a first step.

LanguageConverter markup is back on my plate over in Parsoid land. I'll be dusting off the existing Parsoid patches as a first step.

Excellent! It seems like Brion's phase 0 ("define a 'sane subset' of the existing markup behavior that we recommend supporting") seems like something that should be filed as an RFC. Should we try to do that as part of T142803 or does that need it's own RFC?

Change 140235 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian):
WIP: parse language converter markup.

Liuxinyu970226 changed the task status from Open to Stalled.Jan 1 2017, 5:43 AM

Stalled per that patch, "Main test build failed." or "Merge Failed." happened for too many times

Legoktm changed the task status from Stalled to Open.Jan 1 2017, 10:04 AM
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Stalled per that patch, "Main test build failed." or "Merge Failed." happened for too many times

It's not stalled. Unless you actually know that a task is stalled, please don't mark it as so.

@cscott I was following the comments / commit message of this ticket. I see your Gerrit patch, it looks like it is waiting on:

Which itself is waiting on a lot of pages to be fixed up with some additional markup:

Is that about the state of things?

Is that process being automated or did you figure out a solution? Are there any other dependencies or anything else blocking?

Is there anything you need help with?

cscott added a comment.EditedMay 16 2017, 3:17 PM

There's an active effort on-wiki to make fixups, and quite a large number of pages have been fixed. The effort has been mentioned in Tech News for the past two weeks: and it looks likely to be merged in next week (or so) for gradual roll out.

On the Parsoid side, the blocking predecessor patch is currently which got a C+1 today and will likely be merged shortly. We'll want to deploy that carefully and watch for any new round-trip issues. (There are some bookkeeping issues with parser tests between core and Parsoid, but they are straightforward to address.) Assuming that deploying 350867 goes well, the actual language converter patch is and should be straightforward to deploy, although we'll want to double-check that there aren't any unexpected VE interactions.

That will complete the first stage, which is correctly parsing language converter markup. That's "phase 1" in the summary above. The next step is to actually process the parsed markup and apply conversions, which allows "read view" use of Parsoid markup for mobile, and to work on some VE support.

@Fjalapeno wrt "Is the anything you need help with" -- talk to User:DePiep if you would like to help w/ on-wiki fixup (or just jump in at ). If you're asking about helping on the code side, I'd say I could use some help on the VE side, starting with "phase 2" above -- now that Parsoid can emit markup for LanguageConverter constructs, VE needs a specialized editor to allow users to edit those constructs. That would bring VE to equivalence with the wikitext editor for zhwiki and friends.

@cscott thanks for the update… sorry for my late reply… Hackathon and then vacation. I'll check in on the preprocessor fixups and see how thats going

Change 140235 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/services/parsoid@master] Parse and serialize language converter markup.

cscott updated the task description. (Show Details)Jun 29 2017, 2:25 PM

We just merged a patch for "Phase 1" support of LC in Parsoid (using the phase descriptions I just updated in the task summary).

Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2017-07-31T20:33:25Z] <cscott> Updated Parsoid to version 08114f35 (T43716, T154718, T166413)

Jdforrester-WMF updated the task description. (Show Details)

Change 396538 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian; owner: C. Scott Ananian):
[mediawiki/services/parsoid@master] Create skeleton of language variant support in Parsoid API

Change 396538 merged by jenkins-bot:
[mediawiki/services/parsoid@master] Create skeleton of language variant support in Parsoid API

ssastry moved this task from Backlog to Read Views on the Parsoid board.Jan 11 2018, 9:43 PM
Amire80 moved this task from Untriaged to Script conversion on the I18n board.Feb 4 2018, 10:48 AM