Sounds good! Thanks so much!

Realized I didn't ping @Luke081515 & @Aklapper

@Milimetric & @Legoktm did we ever figure out what the blocker was on the EventLogging side of things?

Thanks @Danny_B I moved that recommendation to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects , that way newbies can do it easily

@Luke081515 & @Aklapper What information do you need? there is no list on that documentation page, just a series of questions -- I am not sure what you actually need.

that would be @ThatAndromeda for support -- you will have to reach out to her. @Nikkimaria and @Ocaasi can help: I am currently traveling for Wikimania & other conferences.

Might be dependent, in part, on T60698

@Susannaanas , @Wittylama, @Spinster , @Multichill -- we hope to start thinking about this in the next 3-6 months, do you have any initial thoughts?

@Susannaanas you might be interested in this. Also, @Wittylama, @Spinster , @Multichill -- we hope to start thinking about this in the next 3-6 months, do you have any initial thoughts?

@Niharika and @Tshrinivasan I will be at the hackathon, so would love to talk to you about the code and problem being solved by this bug at Wikimania -- I want to make sure the conversations we start help you in this work.

@Tshrinivasan I missed the change sorry for not following up sonoer. I am looking into it: we (WMF) may actually be able to negotiate something with Google -- I think they offer access to it as part of their cloud computing services: https://cloud.google.com/vision/

@Catrope that would be awesome if you can give it a try. We are hoping to start work with Collaboration sometime early next quarter, and want to make sure we understand what we are asking them to give notifications to.

Thanks for advocating for us Danny! The new graphs are awesome :)

I would think standard enabling it across the board, is going to be important, both for using it as a tool for tracking, and as it becomes available feeding the data into other tools, etc.

@Magnus any thoughts on this?

In T134920#2292975, @MusikAnimal wrote:

@Sadads You should not see the word "Langviews" anywhere... I'm assuming you are using the tool in a non-English language, or your computer is set to something that's not English? If you just see "langviews-error" or something like that, than the i18n library isn't falling back to English like it's supposed to :(

Anyway, it looks like the pages in that Page Pile all have Project: before the actual page name. This is why it isn't working.

E.g. Project:Wikipedia:Culture/New_York_Public_Library should be Wikipedia:Culture/New_York_Public_Library

@MusikAnimal I have been getting "langview" errors for Pagepile 3053 .

@Nuria do we have a sense of when this will happen? There are a fair number of dependencies on having this data available.

@Tshrinivasan out of curiosity, would access directly to the Google OCR tools through Google be better than the current architecture, which requires routing content through Google Drive? And, are the Indic languages the only ones that would benefit from access to the OCR suite?

In the short term, we have been working with the developer of the Google Spreadsheets Wikipedia tool, namespace agnostic, so its super easy to grab non-article namespace -- not quite a pagepile, but fairly dynamic as a short term fix (we have a demo at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hUbMHmjoewO36kkE_LlTsj2JQL9018vEHTeAP7sR5ik/edit With Wikipedia Library project pages).

@Legoktm and @kaldari do we have a sense of why the data isn't logging yet? @Milimetric tried to check the log for the event, and wasn't able to find collection. Perhaps we are looking at the wrong location? The typo in "ExtenalLinksChange" still carried through, so it ought to be "ExternalLinksChange".

@Samwalton9 might be interested as well.

@Halfak suggested https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/9616 , and its running right now.

@Neil_P._Quinn_WMF , @Halfak and @Capt_Swing sorry for not following up sooner: we just need to know how many people got past the criteria of 500 edits and 6 months of activity in the last 3-4 months, so that we know what the trend is. Thanks @egalvezwmf for getting this started.

https://github.com/thatandromeda/TWLight/blob/master/TWLight/users/authorization.py

@DannyH is doing more of the relationship coordination at the moment -- so might have a better idea on how to prioritize. I think the problem is with Herald -- it automatically adds tasks to projects, even if you remove them. @Aklapper -- is there a way to have herald only add a task to a tag/project once and not readd them if its removed?

@Quiddity We are happy with the current status of this. Let us know when/if this can be worked on.

@matmarex Sorry for not seeing this sooner: 50,000 fixes most of The Wikipedia Library concern for the short term (though not all -- JSTOR, one of our longest running partnerships, has over 70,000 links).

In T123529#2199315, @Esanders wrote:

4. apply the above to any other edit I make during the same browser session

every edit? what about user talk page edits? or what if I go home and start editing other stuff, how do I clear this persistent auto-hashtag?

Its not that unexpected-- there are tons of uses of edit summaries which point folks to Wiki-pages or editors use odd or obscure policies to justify edits. I am not sure if I understand what you mean by "risky experiments".

@Ricordisamoa Can I ask why you gave this a thumbs down? What about the proposal is problematic?

@matmarex Why was T130058 merged? That appears to be tied to a recent other bug fix.

@Florian & @Bawolff is there any chance we can raise the cap?

Hi @Rich_Farmbrough we see the conversation, are going to consult with our legal team which supports the privacy conversations and get back to you sometime next week.

@Krenair we would be happy to merge those items within the schema, if that would facilitate speedier finish. The MVP is getting this data flowing with User name and time stamp/revision associated with the url change. @Legoktm if you want to merge the subdomain and domain together, for a single field that would be fine.

@Cenarium I would like to push back a bit on "they are static blocs of
limited usefulness". Citations are at the core of how English Wikipedia and
many other Wikipedia's prove authority, credibility, and reliability to
their readers. Like the critique during the late 00's about Wikipedia's
eschewing of authority, in regions like India, Latin American and Africa,
Wikipedia is coming under a lot of critique, because its new and different
and challenges different structures of expert information. Making the
footnotes less visible, makes it easier for either a) new readers or b)
critics, to challenge whether or not readers should use it. Moreover,
footnotes are at the core of the resesarch/educational/university value of
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_help/Proposal

A 10,000 link cap, ignores the top 300 most referenced sources on English Wikipedia (and that only includes references in article space). See P587 for the report. Special:LinkSearch is an important tool also for looking at non-article space linking by spammers of major websites, for example we don't want miles of Google Book links hanging out in some back page).

The test environment for the structured citations is at T120115

Also @Lydia_Pintscher may be interested in this.

@DarTar is organizing an event ( T125186 ) w/ @Harej & @Daniel_Mietchen to map the long term support of structured citation data within the movement -- and doing it within the existing citation infrastructure. The priority at the moment is understanding what that structure and client relationship with Wikidata will look like -- and how to do that storage in a way that supports most of the case studies currently available.

FYI, just put out a blog post on the Wikimedia Blog with some case studies: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/03/23/hashtags-expanding-outreach-wikipedia/#comment-26308

I want to +1 @Selsharbaty-WMF 's comment above about outreach -- probably want it to be one of the next locaitons because of the two important newsletters. Also letting @Romaine @TFlanagan-WMF know about this for the GLAM-Wiki end.

@Znbiz and @Sumit -- the main need is the a series of reports using the Special:ExternalLinkChange to reflect the needs of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Processes/Partner_metrics , Our metrics coordinator @Samwalton9 is going to create some phabricator requests for report types to help you define those to be more useful. In general, we are trying to create as many useful visualizations and other reports as can be used by both publishers, and other community organizers who need to know what is being linked to on Wikipedia.

@Jdforrester-WMF This could be also something that we build into the Education-Program-Dashboard -- as it becomes the Programs and Events Dashboard for other forms of organization. @Ragesoss @FloorKoudijs . Also, the recent update to allow export of the data into CSV at http://tools.wmflabs.org/hashtags/search/1lib1ref allows for quite sophisticated analysis of the impact of the data, which would be really important as we grow the impact of hashtags. I think Mahmoud's strategy would be the best way to do it.

@Sumit what is the timeline for when GSOC participants can work on their projects?

@Legoktm and/or @Beetstra can we implement the last couple bits so that we can deploy this? I know its been kindof chaotic since all hands, but we are 80% there, and there might be GSOC opporuntities for doing the project.

@Sumit & @Milimetric I would be happy to have this as part of GSOC . There is also a few tweaks that need to be completed by @Legoktm to T115119 to make sure that this is collecting data properly.

Just sent out update/reminders to my partners who haven't confirmed yes or no. Also, an email I sent out to the GLAM-Wiki list offered for the National Library of Wales to participate.

Awesome!

@DarTar Sounds good! I am pretty confident with this set.

Hey Dario, doing the same. Also, added Gale and some notes on status for each. Gale was in a meeting with Jake on Tuesday, and they asked to participate, so expecting the data to come through.

Thanks for creating this @Florian . Even if its just "Search history" it would distinguish, from something that is deep within the history and architecture of Mediawiki -- and a core part of how our deep users understand our tools.

@ThatAndromeda & @Mackensen, does @jeremyb 's feedback help?

@Johan Your team also metioned that it might be a good idea to place a notice at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page/WM_News notifying of the change, and pointed to the research page? That would be super helpful as well.

Hey all, discovered that @MusikAnimal has been working on the demo API to make it more functional: https://tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews Might want to piggy back on that, rather creating a whole new interface, etc.

@Johan Thats the goal. It might be afterwards

@Legoktm: did the analysis help? I think adding the feature desirable but not MVP. It could be something tweaked further down the road, if there is a demonstrated use case for the tweak (Its a slight inconvenience in how the data is handled and searched, but if its a known/documented issue ahead of time, it shouldn't hurt analysis. Otherwise, I think the priority in the short term is to deploy the data collection ASAP.

Hey @Magnus, I attemped again with a pagepile, and it seems to be throwing a similar error. Have you looked into a workaround yet?

I did a totally unscientific quick scroll through of P587 (and added my analysis in a comment at the end), most of the items are country level or single item suffixes per @Halfak . I found basically the same with P654 and other big Wikipedias.

So I did a quick visual analysis for T115119 looking for suffixes with more than one parts, I also included other top level suffixes; here is my totally unscientific list, probably missed a few:

@Legoktm I don't think its an issue, persay, we are really mostly concerned about indexing the changes, but the data could be skewed: how does that effect the subdomain query? Would that mean it might accidentally displace the main domain into a subdomain right?

Yes: the blocker is definitely the bringing them back into WikiSpace,
Internet archive archives by default everything that persistantly leaves an
external link.

@Beetstra mentioned the project in T121094 . Wondering if there is any action on our end. Also @Legoktm did you get a chance to tweak the handful of items that got raised in code review by Krenair?

per @DarTar and @Krenair I want to +1 the idea that Hashtags seem like a minimally invasive project, that could support a whole range of assessment strategies, that don't need significant overhead -- and could serve our programs communities, our developer communities and the larger editing community quite well.

@Krenair Thanks for the review, also I am new to gerrit. Learning the ins and outs of this whole tech development ecoystem for Wikimedia.

@Krenair you were already on it, but I think I did update it correctly for a request.